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Post by MarchingOn on Feb 20, 2013 12:08:03 GMT -5
Not trying to spin your words, although I see how you might see that, so apologize for that. I was offering much stronger examples than the term 'Redskins' to make a point. It was also your attachment with the question "Please tell me how this affects your life" that bothered me. Doesn't matter if the Redskins are using their team name in a way they find offensive or not. Bottom line, at least to me, is that it seems most Native American Indians do find it offensive. Would it bring it home for you if I gave the example of a more obvious racial slur in a team name? It's just a matter of the degree the of offensiveness. It is a fallacy to say that just because a lot of people believe something makes it right. Just because a large group of whatever race or all races find something offensive does not mean that they are right. Redskin is no longer a derogatory term (at least in part thanks to the team). I do not see any good logic behind why Native Americans should be offended by it. I just see a lot of people who are more content with agreeing that they should be offended just because they are offended. Agreed completely. |
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Post by Divebitch on Feb 20, 2013 12:16:20 GMT -5
My bad. Probably jumped the gun accusing you of twisting words. About my attachment - With that question, I wasn't talking about everything. Like for instance, let's say there is a mass murder in Italy. Although that doesn't affect me personally, I obviously would care and feel for those families affected. With that question, I was talking about things WAY less dramatic, like this for example. This is nothing big. People who get upset about this football team using the name "Redskins" are just too thin skinned IMO. Another example is gay marriage. It doesn't affect anybody personally, but yet many people just go out of their way to see it made illegal. Those are the types of situations that I was talking about when I posed the question "How does it directly affect you?" No, I see your point. Honestly, as long as they aren't using it as a slur (which I don't think the Redskins are), it wouldn't bother me even if the team name was associated with my race. Well, I see your point in this way too...I'm not the least bit upset about the Redskins name. If it were a way bigger slur, I'd care more - even though it didn't affect me directly. But fact is, I have no American Indian blood, never lived in a place with a significant Indian population. So if I'm convinced they largely find it offensive, I'm all for giving them the benefit of the doubt. I mean who am I to say it's not offensive. Again, it doesn't matter to me whether or not the Redskins org intend it as a slur. Agreed, I don't think they do either. I said from the very beginning that there probably was not a lot of Indian population around the DC area, and would not have even been aware at the time that it was offensive in other parts of the country (SW, NW, Midwest), where there was a large American Indian presence, and perhaps experience far more discrimination or hatred, etc. |
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Post by sean2457 on Feb 20, 2013 12:21:04 GMT -5
Language evolves as our dialects shift in new direction because of cultural changes we experience whether through the media or fictional outlets. Many words have an original definition but have taken on new meanings as we "grow" together as a society. Derogatory terms like 'faggot' and 'gay' are uncommonly used in the original definition within our modern society and now are seen as synonyms to words like stupid and dumb with the younger generation.
The term 'beasting' didn't even exist 10 years ago but it has now become really popular to portray someone doing really good at a particular thing. "John is beasting on the field tonight with his speed!"
One could argue that Redskin has gone in the opposite direction of the N word because some people might have forgotten that forever ago, the N word wasn't actually meant to be offensive towards Africans. We should really come together and decide if the word has evolved past it's original definition before rushing to change the team's name.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2013 12:26:47 GMT -5
I can't see the original people who named their team to use a racial slur. Makes no sense to me that they would do that on purpose. Why would you do that? I always thought they would name their team to show Pride and Strength. If I owned the Chargers I wouldn't name them the San Diego Crackers.
I really doubt the name was made for any other reason than it showed strength and pride. I could be wrong. Does anyone have the history of the names original intent?
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Post by Divebitch on Feb 20, 2013 12:29:03 GMT -5
Very good post Sean, especially on that 'opposite direction'. Good link that xdeadlyxmirage posted en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger - as I had suggested too, the term 'nigger' was not a derogatory term whatsoever until maybe the early 1900's in this country, even later in some literary and European writings. |
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Post by Divebitch on Feb 20, 2013 13:06:44 GMT -5
Did anybody else have a mental picture of MarchingOn and Dive making up and hugging it out......... Nope, probably just me, lol. Been through a lot worse words than this. But here's a towel for ya.  |
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Post by steeldevil on Feb 20, 2013 13:07:22 GMT -5
I have a little Blackfoot blood in me. At least thats what my grandpa says. But he likes to bullshit so idk...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2013 13:07:38 GMT -5
Just talked to one of my Native American friends. He's full blooded Pachanga I think. Asked him if the term Redskin offended him. "No absolutely not" he said.
So I guess it does for some and not for others.
Edit. Him and his wife and two kids are full blooded. So he gets like a thousand dollars a day from the casino. I don't think anything bothers him. LOL. Except the fact I beat him in our money ff league. That bothers him. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2013 13:22:33 GMT -5
Somebody made up the words. The somebody decided the words were offensive. Then the throng followed suit.
Who said gold was worth so much and why? Its because somebody said so?
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Post by MarchingOn on Feb 20, 2013 13:41:32 GMT -5
Somebody made up the words. The somebody decided the words were offensive. Then the throng followed suit. Who said gold was worth so much and why? Its because somebody said so? Agreed Jeff. I think about this stuff all the time. Who decides what words are considered curse words? |
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