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Post by rey713 on Feb 20, 2013 2:41:22 GMT -5
I'm 1/4 Native American. I found that out today while talking to my mom about this (she's a big football fan) and she informed me of me being Native American on my dads side. And I still don't think this is an issue. People just like to start shit about something stupid like this. The name hasn't changed in 40 years it won't change now. Of course you don't, you didn't grow up with the same prejudice and insults that they did. And you wouldn't have came across the amount that most natives do over night. You have to remember it's not only what the name is, but what the name represented, and still represents to them. You can't say something like that, because it's pointless. If you weren't raised in a traditional way, or treated like a true native american all your life, then you wouldn't understand the same point of view. Great point. Another example that the "younger generations" are trivializing terms/expressions that weren't acceptable to say casually. Like African-Americans using "nigga" in rap music, and the term being used left and right by people usually 30 and under (who didn't live during the segregation eras) because of it. I'll admit that I'm part of the younger generation, but I'm also not ignorant. I don't use anything that remotely sounds like a racial slur because I think it degrades the quality of our society. If Native Americans feel offended by the term because of what it represents, or sounds like a slur, then they are entitled to strongly voice their opinion. |
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Post by xdeadlyxmirage on Feb 20, 2013 7:56:49 GMT -5
Of course you don't, you didn't grow up with the same prejudice and insults that they did. And you wouldn't have came across the amount that most natives do over night. You have to remember it's not only what the name is, but what the name represented, and still represents to them. You can't say something like that, because it's pointless. If you weren't raised in a traditional way, or treated like a true native american all your life, then you wouldn't understand the same point of view. Great point. Another example that the "younger generations" are trivializing terms/expressions that weren't acceptable to say casually. Like African-Americans using "nigga" in rap music, and the term being used left and right by people usually 30 and under (who didn't live during the segregation eras) because of it. I'll admit that I'm part of the younger generation, but I'm also not ignorant. I don't use anything that remotely sounds like a racial slur because I think it degrades the quality of our society. If Native Americans feel offended by the term because of what it represents, or sounds like a slur, then they are entitled to strongly voice their opinion. Language changes over time. Insults change quickly over time. Why try to hold onto the same slurs from the era of widespread and open racism? Let the derogatory meaning behind words fade away. |
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Post by MarchingOn on Feb 20, 2013 9:59:12 GMT -5
What the hell? Who voted "it needs to happen"? People who voted that, why do you care so much?  |
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Post by Divebitch on Feb 20, 2013 10:55:41 GMT -5
What the hell? Who voted "it needs to happen"? People who voted that, why do you care so much? Just wow. "What the hell"?!? So, because it doesn't affect you personally, you shouldn't have strong opinions or even care about things you feel might hurt, or degrade others? Should we not care about social injustice, discrimination, world hunger, natural catastrophes? Where would this world be if no one cared about anything but their own interests? If you read the 2nd post in this thread, you will learn why I for one care. Or maybe you won't. For the record I voted for 'it needs to happen', mostly because the next best choice was 'leave it alone' instead of something like 'it should probably be changed'. So while the 'Redskins' thing is not high on my list of issues that must be addressed asap, I make no apologies for voicing my feeling that it should go. Edit: FTR, I have no Indian blood in me - that I know of.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2013 11:14:05 GMT -5
This thread has actually been very interesting. I applaud you all for voicing your opinions and sharing your experiences without bashing or hatred. It shows me that we can have debates without prejudice. The thread also shows us how diverse the conversation can be, and how many different opinions exist. Good job peeps.
Its real easy to read something someone posts and take it wrong. We can't hear the tone of the statement. So not getting upset is harder online than in person.
Oh and I saw on TV last night that you shouldn't call Sasquatch "Big Foot" it is offensive. LOL (NCIS Los Angles)
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Post by MarchingOn on Feb 20, 2013 11:24:48 GMT -5
Just wow. "What the hell"?!? So, because it doesn't affect you personally, you can't have strong opinions or even care about things you feel might hurt, or degrade others? Should we not care about social injustice, discrimination, world hunger, natural catastrophes? Where would this world be if no one cared about anything but their own interests? If you read the 2nd post in this thread, you will learn why I for one care. Or maybe you won't. For the record I voted for 'it needs to happen', mostly because the next best choice was 'leave it alone' instead of something like 'it should probably be changed'. So while the 'Redskins' thing is not high on my list of issues that must be addressed asap, I make no apologies for voicing my feeling that it should go. Edit: FTR, I have no Indian blood in me - that I know of. Don't spin my words. I never said you couldn't have strong opinions against things that don't affect you. You're trying to make me look like I don't care about the good of humanity, and that's not the case at all. I don't see how this hurts or affects anyone negatively. The Washington Redskins organization is not using the term "Redskins" in a derogative way. |
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Post by danb6177 on Feb 20, 2013 11:31:53 GMT -5
I think the point was how native americans feel about it and what rights the native americans have when it comes to matters of their heritage. I know they are neatly tucked away and out of the picture but I can see how the name would (and always has) upset them.
Remember that malt liquor crazy horse from back in the 80s? It was the most popular of the malt liquors where I lived. Eventually after natives fought it they changed the name. I mean we are drinking alcohol with one of their heros on the label. I think this is similar.
Its not a new thing the natives have been fighting this for a long time. So thats why I voted it needs to change. Im one who believes the indians got a bad deal
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Post by Divebitch on Feb 20, 2013 11:44:07 GMT -5
Don't spin my words. I never said you couldn't have strong opinions against things that don't affect you. You're trying to make me look like I don't care about the good of humanity, and that's not the case at all. I don't see how this hurts or affects anyone negatively. The Washington Redskins organization is not using the term "Redskins" in a derogative way. Not trying to spin your words, although I see how you might see that, so apologize for that. I was offering much stronger examples than the term 'Redskins' to make a point. It was also your attachment with the question "Please tell me how this affects your life" that bothered me. Doesn't matter if the Redskins are using their team name in a way they find offensive or not. Bottom line, at least to me, is that it seems most Native American Indians do find it offensive. Would it bring it home for you if I gave the example of a more obvious racial slur in a team name? It's just a matter of the degree the of offensiveness. |
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Post by MarchingOn on Feb 20, 2013 11:56:04 GMT -5
Don't spin my words. I never said you couldn't have strong opinions against things that don't affect you. You're trying to make me look like I don't care about the good of humanity, and that's not the case at all. I don't see how this hurts or affects anyone negatively. The Washington Redskins organization is not using the term "Redskins" in a derogative way. Not trying to spin your words, although I see how you might see that, so apologize for that. I was offering much stronger examples than the term 'Redskins' to make a point. It was also your attachment with the question "Please tell me how this affects your life" that bothered me. Doesn't matter if the Redskins are using their team name in a way they find offensive or not. Bottom line, at least to me, is that it seems most Native American Indians do find it offensive. Would it bring it home for you if I gave the example of a more obvious racial slur in a team name? It's just a matter of the degree the of offensiveness. My bad. Probably jumped the gun accusing you of twisting words. About my attachment - With that question, I wasn't talking about everything. Like for instance, let's say there is a mass murder in Italy. Although that doesn't affect me personally, I obviously would care and feel for those families affected. With that question, I was talking about things WAY less dramatic, like this for example. This is nothing big. People who get upset about this football team using the name "Redskins" are just too thin skinned IMO. Another example is gay marriage. It doesn't affect anybody personally, but yet many people just go out of their way to see it made illegal. Those are the types of situations that I was talking about when I posed the question "How does it directly affect you?" No, I see your point. Honestly, as long as they aren't using it as a slur (which I don't think the Redskins are), it wouldn't bother me even if the team name was associated with my race. |
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Post by xdeadlyxmirage on Feb 20, 2013 12:00:33 GMT -5
Don't spin my words. I never said you couldn't have strong opinions against things that don't affect you. You're trying to make me look like I don't care about the good of humanity, and that's not the case at all. I don't see how this hurts or affects anyone negatively. The Washington Redskins organization is not using the term "Redskins" in a derogative way. Not trying to spin your words, although I see how you might see that, so apologize for that. I was offering much stronger examples than the term 'Redskins' to make a point. It was also your attachment with the question "Please tell me how this affects your life" that bothered me. Doesn't matter if the Redskins are using their team name in a way they find offensive or not. Bottom line, at least to me, is that it seems most Native American Indians do find it offensive. Would it bring it home for you if I gave the example of a more obvious racial slur in a team name? It's just a matter of the degree the of offensiveness. It is a fallacy to say that just because a lot of people believe something makes it right. Just because a large group of whatever race or all races find something offensive does not mean that they are right. Redskin is no longer a derogatory term (at least in part thanks to the team). I do not see any good logic behind why Native Americans should be offended by it. I just see a lot of people who are more content with agreeing that they should be offended just because they are offended. EDIT : On a side note we as a society tend to ignore actually racist things like when someone says that they are proud to be black, white, Native American, Mexican or whatever, that's by definition bigotry, someone automatically sides with people of their skin color, or people who assume because someone of a different skin color does not please them it is because they are racist. That's much more clearly and importantly racist than someone saying a slur IMO. |
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