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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Sept 22, 2012 16:04:56 GMT -5
@steelersfan Why are you a fan of hits that could seriously put someone's health at risk INTENTIONALLY? Those two hits were INTENTIONAL and unnecessary. I know it's football, and injuries will come anyway, but I'm saying that those hits aren't warranted when you can still block someone with less "cheap" methods (not trying to get on a highlight reel). Since James Harrison is on your team I can see why you're on that side of the fence. For example PSU just got free yards off of a totally BS personal foul (targeting?) which resulted in a TD the next play. First of all the PSU was far from defenseless, he had at lest 5-7 steps after the catch and running up field. He got tripped by a Temple defender from behind which resulted in the receiver falling forward. The defender put a text book shoulder/forearm combo in the upper chest which could have easily knocked the ball loose. But yet he gets flagged instead. Heck I'm a PSU fan and even I think that it was a terrible call. I just don't want to see the game I love turned into a pansy league.
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Post by rey713 on Sept 22, 2012 17:44:42 GMT -5
Well no shit the hit was intentional. When the hell do you accidentally block someone??? Intent to hurt/injure. Did you see his reaction afterwards, genius?
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Post by rey713 on Sept 22, 2012 17:47:28 GMT -5
Haha oh please. It's football not paddy cake. As far as I'm concerned as long as you avoid intentionally hitting helmet to helmet you should be in the clear. You can come up with the conclusion that the hit on Warner was intent to injure him or put him out of the game because of the bounty gate allegations. But it was NOT illegal, last time I checked you were allowed to block with your shoulder into the body. As far as Tate's block on Lee, well I challenge you to find out the intent of that block. If he wanted to injure or take Lee out of the game he very well could have by putting his helmet into Lee's dome, or take Lee out at the knees much like what happened to Eric Berry. But he didn't, he put his upper body into Lee's upper body in a hard, clean block. If Murry made that block on a Seahawk's defender do you think Jerry Jones would be saying it was dirty? Hell no! He would be praising him and completely defend him. Ask Lee if he thought that block was dirty and I would be 100% sure he would say no, or even say it was his fault for not paying attention. What bothers me more about that hit is the fact that Tate "celebrated" after doing so (and the refs gave Dallas a personal foul on the same play for 'grazing' Wilson as he went out of bounds).
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Post by steeldevil on Sept 22, 2012 18:30:04 GMT -5
Well no shit the hit was intentional. When the hell do you accidentally block someone??? Intent to hurt/injure. Did you see his reaction afterwards, genius? Good to know you are a mind reader. Most guys do celebrate when they deliver a big devastating hit. A clean one at that. I am pretty smart.
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Sept 22, 2012 19:07:03 GMT -5
Haha oh please. It's football not paddy cake. As far as I'm concerned as long as you avoid intentionally hitting helmet to helmet you should be in the clear. You can come up with the conclusion that the hit on Warner was intent to injure him or put him out of the game because of the bounty gate allegations. But it was NOT illegal, last time I checked you were allowed to block with your shoulder into the body. As far as Tate's block on Lee, well I challenge you to find out the intent of that block. If he wanted to injure or take Lee out of the game he very well could have by putting his helmet into Lee's dome, or take Lee out at the knees much like what happened to Eric Berry. But he didn't, he put his upper body into Lee's upper body in a hard, clean block. If Murry made that block on a Seahawk's defender do you think Jerry Jones would be saying it was dirty? Hell no! He would be praising him and completely defend him. Ask Lee if he thought that block was dirty and I would be 100% sure he would say no, or even say it was his fault for not paying attention. What bothers me more about that hit is the fact that Tate "celebrated" after doing so (and the refs gave Dallas a personal foul on the same play for 'grazing' Wilson as he went out of bounds). Well a hit like that would pump up him up and the rest of the team. There has been plenty of times a big block or tackle really gets the team rolling. But celebrating after the hit was pretty poor taste, go back to the huddle and high five your teammates if you got to. The penalty on Dallas was pretty lame too.
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Post by Shaggzfate on Sept 22, 2012 22:18:46 GMT -5
Haha oh please. It's football not paddy cake. As far as I'm concerned as long as you avoid intentionally hitting helmet to helmet you should be in the clear. You can come up with the conclusion that the hit on Warner was intent to injure him or put him out of the game because of the bounty gate allegations. But it was NOT illegal, last time I checked you were allowed to block with your shoulder into the body. As far as Tate's block on Lee, well I challenge you to find out the intent of that block. If he wanted to injure or take Lee out of the game he very well could have by putting his helmet into Lee's dome, or take Lee out at the knees much like what happened to Eric Berry. But he didn't, he put his upper body into Lee's upper body in a hard, clean block. If Murry made that block on a Seahawk's defender do you think Jerry Jones would be saying it was dirty? Hell no! He would be praising him and completely defend him. Ask Lee if he thought that block was dirty and I would be 100% sure he would say no, or even say it was his fault for not paying attention. What bothers me more about that hit is the fact that Tate "celebrated" after doing so (and the refs gave Dallas a personal foul on the same play for 'grazing' Wilson as he went out of bounds). I actually haven't been 100% against anyone on this thread, fucking hate grey issues like this, its much easier when its black and silver, I mean white. But the celebration I didn't see an issue with just because how many times is tate going to be able to light someone up, legal hit or not? I mean, Ray Lewis does it every time he gets a chance, whats the difference? Just because Ray Lewis is Ray Lewis? Is he grandfathered in like the Lambeau leap? I agree the hit was illegal according to the rules, and that it needs to be equal on both sides, there is no doubt about that in my mind, and that needs to go for every penalty, including holding, facemasking, and 'taunting'. On this aspect I'm with Steeler, it's getting a bit over the top, but as long as its here it needs to be equal on both sides. No exceptions.
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Post by lostabroad2 on Sept 23, 2012 4:01:55 GMT -5
I can't remember what the rules where in 2009 but I would guess that the hit on Warner was legal at that time. The illegal blindside block was brought in specifically for change of possession plays so it would be illegal today. Also the QB is now a defenceless player on change of possession plays.
I wasn't happy with Tate celebrating either and I don't care for the tippy-tappy rules protecting QBs as they run out-of-bounds. The Rams have been penalized twice for such offences.
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Sept 23, 2012 8:34:46 GMT -5
I can't remember what the rules where in 2009 but I would guess that the hit on Warner was legal at that time. The illegal blindside block was brought in specifically for change of possession plays so it would be illegal today. Also the QB is now a defenceless player on change of possession plays. I wasn't happy with Tate celebrating either and I don't care for the tippy-tappy rules protecting QBs as they run out-of-bounds. The Rams have been penalized twice for such offences. Uhg a QB turns into a defenseless player after a turnover? Why don't we just make all QBs wear red practice jerseys :/
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Post by lostabroad2 on Sept 23, 2012 12:17:20 GMT -5
I've said this many times, but i'll say it again:
A defenceless player is not an untouchable player. You can blast the crap out of a defenceless player, but you can't hit him in the head.
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Post by rey713 on Sept 23, 2012 16:19:07 GMT -5
Intent to hurt/injure. Did you see his reaction afterwards, genius? Good to know you are a mind reader. Most guys do celebrate when they deliver a big devastating hit. A clean one at that. I am pretty smart. Still a classless act and poor calling by the referees.
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