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Post by MarchingOn on Sept 18, 2012 21:38:36 GMT -5
Lee should and could have saw this hit coming IMO
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Post by lostabroad2 on Sept 18, 2012 22:27:29 GMT -5
I'll accept whatever the NFL decides on Friday. My guess is that they'll deem the block legal and the taunting afterwards illegal. I think they will also find Jenkins of the Rams guilty of hitting a defenceless receiver against the Redskins. Nothing was called at the time.
I'm surprised that 8 people thought that this voted 'illegal' for this play. Either i'm out of step with other people's opinions or there is confusion, (could well be on my part), about the rules.
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Post by Shaggzfate on Sept 18, 2012 22:52:42 GMT -5
Its the leading with the helmet kick the nfl has been on LAB, thats what he did and for player safety its been illegalized. What the league will do from here is make an example of it for the offensive side as well. It's an illegal hit on either side of the football. If the offense could do it and the defense can't then I call shenanigans on Goodell
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Post by lostabroad2 on Sept 18, 2012 23:21:35 GMT -5
Shaggzfate, I think you've misinterpreted the rules but we'll find out on Friday when the fines are announced. I think a defensive player could make the same hit on a ball carrier who had been established as a runner. They could probably do that to a blocker as well! I'd offer an avatar challenge but i'm already happy with your avatar, (although it's not displayed in the correct proportions).
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Post by Shaggzfate on Sept 18, 2012 23:42:25 GMT -5
Lol I'd have it bigger but the limit... this is the closest I could get that still looks sort of ok. As for the OP, this is why I think it does, its a good NBC article, but these are rule excerpts will post the article url and a bigger pic of my avatar after. “It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture. (a) Players in a defenseless posture are: [. . .] (2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player; [. . .] (b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is: (1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and (2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.” profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/27/nfl-attempts-to-clarify-the-defenseless-player-rules/All rights to the original creator of course, and I'd never remove his info
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Post by lostabroad2 on Sept 19, 2012 0:02:01 GMT -5
Shaggzfate, i'm aware of those rules and I have links to the original NFL.com articles outlining the changes. The point is that Lee is not classified as a defenceless player therefore the defenceless player rules do not apply to him. With regards to avatars you can right click on an image and select 'Save Image As'. Once you have saved an image you can check its dimensions. In your case the image has a height of 500 and a width of 400. The best display for your image as an avatar should be a height of 100 with a width of 400x100/500, (which would be 80). You don't appear to have adjusted your settings to display the image in those dimensions. I wouldn't worry about it. It's easy to do but most people here don't do it. Most choose to display rectangular images as a 100 x 100 square rather than a 100 x percentage rectangle.
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Post by Shaggzfate on Sept 19, 2012 0:05:07 GMT -5
We shall see friday, but I still interpret it as being against the rules because he lead with the crown of his helmet to the chest area of the player. Your photo corrected me that it was the head area, which is worse, but supported my original stance. We shall see, if its not then it should be, just because it has to be a fair rule on both sides.
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Sept 19, 2012 10:14:35 GMT -5
*sheds a tear* Hines Ward would be proud.
I didn't see any H2H contact except maybe slightly to the top of Tate's helmet and the bottom of Lee's facemask.
But C'Mon man! Good effort Tate
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Sept 19, 2012 10:25:21 GMT -5
Its the leading with the helmet kick the nfl has been on LAB, thats what he did and for player safety its been illegalized. What the league will do from here is make an example of it for the offensive side as well. It's an illegal hit on either side of the football. If the offense could do it and the defense can't then I call shenanigans on Goodell[/quote Bullcrap If a defensive player can't lead with their helmet then why should a RB get away with it? How about we ask Ahmad Bradshaw how his head/neck is feeling after doing that very thing? The NFL is occupied only with protecting their money makers, many of which play offensive skill positions.
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Sept 19, 2012 10:32:38 GMT -5
Lol I'd have it bigger but the limit... this is the closest I could get that still looks sort of ok. As for the OP, this is why I think it does, its a good NBC article, but these are rule excerpts will post the article url and a bigger pic of my avatar after. “It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture. (a) Players in a defenseless posture are: [. . .] (2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player; [. . .] (b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is: (1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and (2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.” profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/27/nfl-attempts-to-clarify-the-defenseless-player-rules/All rights to the original creator of course, and I'd never remove his info This is my beef with the rule. There is basically no way to defend that if the WR has a firm grasp on the ball short of making a perfect play on the ball, which you won't always have the luxury of having that option. There is NO way of having a forcible hit without having your helmet touch ANY part of the receiver's body. That means no putting the helmet on the side of the body either. So basically you are forced to arm tackle the receiver until the offensive player makes two steps. That could be the difference between losing or winning a game if that is within the endzone or 1st down.
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