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Post by Jancey on Sept 4, 2014 23:34:16 GMT -5
No. If Shady is a 9 in the rushing category, Bradshaw shouldn't be sniffing an 8. Maybe I am overrating Bradshaw, then. Fine, he shouldn't be here. <--- @jeffb2865 that's responding to your post, as well Oh well, still doesn't change the fact that Pierre is in this convo Pierre shouldn't be sniffing an 8 either. Sorry. His YPC is nice, sure. But he also plays on a team that has had a solid line for most of his career (I think), a pass-first offense led by Drew Brees, and is in a RBBC.
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Post by MarchingOn on Sept 4, 2014 23:34:52 GMT -5
We can eliminate Shady. He's not very good at pass pro. And Lynch is not a very good receiver. Not sure about how good Shady is at Pass pro...but Lynch not a good rec?? Yes he is. Well, I'm not sure if teams just don't use Lynch out of the backfield or not, but he's only had two seasons where his reception total reached 30. Having 29 or under receptions for a RB in a season is not a lot.. At all
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Post by Jancey on Sept 4, 2014 23:37:31 GMT -5
Hardly. When Trich probably keeps sucking this season, Bradshaw will be the clear-cut #1. He should open the season as the clear-cut #1 as it is. I'm not defending the Bradshaw being as good of an all around back as Shady or Charles. I'm just saying he's not "second fiddle" to Trich because he's worse. I agree totally with you Jancey. I didnt say it cuz I believe it...But the Colts coaches must think T Rich is better. Hes the starter. Or maybe because the Colts don't want to have wasted a first round pick on him. Look at Daniel Thomas. The Phins drafted him with a 2nd and insisted he was this great RB since. Kept giving him a lot of touches because of where they drafted him instead of how good he actually was. Now they finally released him.
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Post by plax on Sept 4, 2014 23:37:58 GMT -5
Bradshaw is not a RB1 because he simply can't handle the load anymore. He is too injury prone to take 15-20 carries per game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 23:38:32 GMT -5
Not sure about how good Shady is at Pass pro...but Lynch not a good rec?? Yes he is. Well, I'm not sure if teams just don't use Lynch out of the backfield or not, but he's only had two seasons where his reception total reached 30. Having 29 or under receptions for a RB in a season is not a lot.. At all Agree again...BUT...you can tell hes a good receiver. Hes a better runner,so they run him. Hes not as fast as Shady or Charles,so they dont try as much to get him out in space. They basically dont use him as a receiver as much.
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Post by Jancey on Sept 4, 2014 23:39:50 GMT -5
Bradshaw is not a RB1 because he simply can't handle the load anymore. He is too injury prone to take 15-20 carries per game. I think he could handle 15 a game. The Colts will have no choice but to let him carry the load as long as Trich plays as awfully as he is. Maybe give Trich 10 a game to keep Bradshaw fresh and healthy.
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Post by Morkim on Sept 4, 2014 23:43:48 GMT -5
Why do you think I said come up with jamaals rank for comparison purposes? For instance, I'm like 80% sure he's around 12th. So would you say the back who's 12th in pass pro, top 3 rushing, and top 5 recieving is better all around the the guy who's second in pass pro, but in the 20s otherwise? For the record, jamaal is very proud of his pass pro job, and takes it damn seriously, and he's pretty good at it. Maybe later I'll show the clips of him lighting up JJ Watt. If he participated in the receiving game so much I can't assume that he had a good blocking rate like you say. Probably a little lower. Remember back when I said it was arguable. You're basing it all off to say that he's a far better AAB that Bradshaw. That's what I had an issue with. Your logic isn't making sense. He participated in recieving a lot, so you doubt he was efficient as a pass pro? Find Jamaal Charles rank. He is a vastly better all around back. I'm luling that this is really a question.
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Post by MarchingOn on Sept 4, 2014 23:44:44 GMT -5
Maybe I am overrating Bradshaw, then. Fine, he shouldn't be here. <--- @jeffb2865 that's responding to your post, as well Oh well, still doesn't change the fact that Pierre is in this convo Pierre shouldn't be sniffing an 8 either. Sorry. His YPC is nice, sure. But he also plays on a team that has had a solid line for most of his career (I think), a pass-first offense led by Drew Brees, and is in a RBBC. The fact that he's in a RBBC is exactly why people don't realize the type of player Pierre is. As much as I like the fact that Sean Payton runs a committee, it's the bane of Pierre's existence. He would be universally recognized as a top 10 back if he was somebody's feature RB, I have zero doubts about that. Pierre's as powerful as anything, and he's pretty elusive as well for a guy of his size. You wouldn't think it, but he's impressive in the open field. Not to mention his vision, which is probably his best attribute when it comes to running. He doesn't have great speed but his other traits more than make up for it. He does gain help from the OL and Brees, I admit that, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize Pierre's talent. I mean, everybody recognizes the great talent TJ Yeldon is, even though the past two years he had been running behind Mccarron and the best OL in college football. Just because he gets help from the rest of his offense doesn't mean he -needs- them to succeed.
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Post by Morkim on Sept 4, 2014 23:47:44 GMT -5
Pierre shouldn't be sniffing an 8 either. Sorry. His YPC is nice, sure. But he also plays on a team that has had a solid line for most of his career (I think), a pass-first offense led by Drew Brees, and is in a RBBC. The fact that he's in a RBBC is exactly why people don't realize the type of player Pierre is. As much as I like the fact that Payton runs a committee, it's the bane of Pierre's existence. He would be universally recognized as a top 10 back if he was somebody's feature RB, I have zero doubts about that. Pierre's as powerful as anything, and he's pretty elusive as well for a guy of his size. You wouldn't think it, but he's impressive in the open field. Not to mention his vision, which is probably his best attribute when it comes to running. He doesn't have great speed but his other traits more than make up for it. He does gain help from the OL and Brees, I admit that, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize Pierre's talent. I mean, everybody recognizes the great talent TJ Yeldon is, even though the past two years he had been running behind Mccarron and the best OL in college football. Just because he gets help from the rest of his offense doesn't mean he -needs- them to succeed. lol bringing up Bama backs won't help your cause kid. Yeldon will catch a lot of flack because of his Oline and the system he's in. Look what Peyton did for Moreno just by being Peyton. You can't assume PT is the same guy without Brees and tripling his carries.
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Post by MarchingOn on Sept 4, 2014 23:51:53 GMT -5
The fact that he's in a RBBC is exactly why people don't realize the type of player Pierre is. As much as I like the fact that Payton runs a committee, it's the bane of Pierre's existence. He would be universally recognized as a top 10 back if he was somebody's feature RB, I have zero doubts about that. Pierre's as powerful as anything, and he's pretty elusive as well for a guy of his size. You wouldn't think it, but he's impressive in the open field. Not to mention his vision, which is probably his best attribute when it comes to running. He doesn't have great speed but his other traits more than make up for it. He does gain help from the OL and Brees, I admit that, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize Pierre's talent. I mean, everybody recognizes the great talent TJ Yeldon is, even though the past two years he had been running behind Mccarron and the best OL in college football. Just because he gets help from the rest of his offense doesn't mean he -needs- them to succeed. lol bringing up Bama backs won't help your cause kid. Yeldon will catch a lot of flack because of his Oline and the system he's in. Look what Peyton did for Moreno just by being Peyton. You can't assume PT is the same guy without Brees and tripling his carries. Yeldon wasn't my point. My point was it isn't always fair to use a player's good teammates against him, which I'm sure you agree with. I absolutely can. Moreno isn't as talented as Pierre.
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