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Post by saskabronco on Mar 24, 2016 16:51:15 GMT -5
Clady is injury prone. When you miss about 65% of the games over the last three seasons, that is injury prone. He was very good for several years but he's making over $10 million a year and he's only stayed healthy one of the last three seasons. Saying he used to not be injury prone is not really relevant, because he clearly is now. As for Peyton last year, he was not himself. When healthy he was a turnover machine that failed to generate anything significant (on the positive side) on offence. I am one of the bigger Peyton fans out there, but I'm not going to say that he was still himself. Our team got where we did last year because of our defence. They created big turnovers at important times and often scored the points themselves. Our running game wasn't much, our receivers didn't do much and our QB didn't do much. I would like to see our offence improve this year, but it's pretty unlikely that it will go downhill from last year. We were near the bottom of the league in several categories and the only meaningful offensive stat where we were above average was time of posession (we were 3 seconds above the league average). Our offence needs work, but it needed just as much work last year and we still won the Super Bowl. That's not what I meant. "Still himself", meaning he was all the things I mentioned. Clearly he was not his old self in his ability to execute. It wasn't lapses in judgement. His body could no longer do what he always had huge success in doing to win games. That's an important point. He was not a game manager. We might've actually been better off with one, cuz it resulted in costly mistakes. It's academic now. TOP 3 seconds above avg is a meaningful stat? IDK exactly what you mean by that, but here's one explanation... Our defense was quick and relentless. lol Depending on what Clady's injuries were, he may be injury-prone, or simply extremely unlucky. I should, but don't recall. I don't like what I've seen of Schofield, maybe he'll improve. I just feel that shoring up that o-line is job #1, right up there with QB. You can do only so much in the draft, especially with last pick. TEs even in the league already are plentiful, at least compared to last year. They can get a serviceable one even 3rd or 4th round maybe. It's really the least of my worries. The fact that he wasn't himself and made costly mistakes just goes to show that we can win a Super Bowl with a less than serviceable QB. That was my point. I'm not very worried about that position right now. For the stats, I said the only stat where our offence was actually above the league average was in time of posession and we were only three seconds higher than the league average. A defence being quick and relentless would boost that number higher, which supports my argument that our offence was terrible. Even with a relentless defence, we were only average with time of posession. A good offence should be dominant in that stat with a great defence. Clady could be extremely unlucky with his injuries, but either way he is a big, expensive risk and we need that money for Miller, Marshall and getting some decent replacements, or at least quality depth on both sides of the line and under center. We can't afford to pay that much for a guy who has missed 2 of the last 3 seasons. If he's willing to take a pay cut, I'd be happy to keep him around, but he's not worth what he's making right now for us.
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Post by Divebitch on Mar 24, 2016 18:06:02 GMT -5
That's not what I meant. "Still himself", meaning he was all the things I mentioned. Clearly he was not his old self in his ability to execute. It wasn't lapses in judgement. His body could no longer do what he always had huge success in doing to win games. That's an important point. He was not a game manager. We might've actually been better off with one, cuz it resulted in costly mistakes. It's academic now. TOP 3 seconds above avg is a meaningful stat? IDK exactly what you mean by that, but here's one explanation... Our defense was quick and relentless. lol Depending on what Clady's injuries were, he may be injury-prone, or simply extremely unlucky. I should, but don't recall. I don't like what I've seen of Schofield, maybe he'll improve. I just feel that shoring up that o-line is job #1, right up there with QB. You can do only so much in the draft, especially with last pick. TEs even in the league already are plentiful, at least compared to last year. They can get a serviceable one even 3rd or 4th round maybe. It's really the least of my worries. The fact that he wasn't himself and made costly mistakes just goes to show that we can win a Super Bowl with a less than serviceable QB. That was my point. I'm not very worried about that position right now. For the stats, I said the only stat where our offence was actually above the league average was in time of posession and we were only three seconds higher than the league average. A defence being quick and relentless would boost that number higher, which supports my argument that our offence was terrible. Even with a relentless defence, we were only average with time of posession. A good offence should be dominant in that stat with a great defence. Clady could be extremely unlucky with his injuries, but either way he is a big, expensive risk and we need that money for Miller, Marshall and getting some decent replacements, or at least quality depth on both sides of the line and under center. We can't afford to pay that much for a guy who has missed 2 of the last 3 seasons. If he's willing to take a pay cut, I'd be happy to keep him around, but he's not worth what he's making right now for us. Had you said ' only' 3 seconds more, I would've gotten it. It sounded like you thought that 3 secs was a positive. haha So we do agree the TOP should've been a lot higher, closer to 3 - 5 (?) minutes. It's was kinda like a double-edged sword w/Peyton. Ya see, even when I said he wasn't able to execute, and he made mistakes cuz he still tried, he wasn't a cocky idiot, and tried to rely on the run game, short plays when he could. I don't think you can throw a 'serviceable' QB in there and expect him to do all the intangibles Peyton did. No one will have the vision, or.... [sigh] anything. IDK how long youo can take a defense for granted. It's already been compromised by the losses of Malik Jackson and Trevathan. Maybe you're right on Clady. If $10 mil, maybe time to move on. Or renegotiate. What was his last injury? Should have pretty fresh legs and all.
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Post by saskabronco on Mar 24, 2016 18:28:56 GMT -5
The fact that he wasn't himself and made costly mistakes just goes to show that we can win a Super Bowl with a less than serviceable QB. That was my point. I'm not very worried about that position right now. For the stats, I said the only stat where our offence was actually above the league average was in time of posession and we were only three seconds higher than the league average. A defence being quick and relentless would boost that number higher, which supports my argument that our offence was terrible. Even with a relentless defence, we were only average with time of posession. A good offence should be dominant in that stat with a great defence. Clady could be extremely unlucky with his injuries, but either way he is a big, expensive risk and we need that money for Miller, Marshall and getting some decent replacements, or at least quality depth on both sides of the line and under center. We can't afford to pay that much for a guy who has missed 2 of the last 3 seasons. If he's willing to take a pay cut, I'd be happy to keep him around, but he's not worth what he's making right now for us. Had you said ' only' 3 seconds more, I would've gotten it. It sounded like you thought that 3 secs was a positive. haha So we do agree the TOP should've been a lot higher, closer to 3 - 5 (?) minutes. It's was kinda like a double-edged sword w/Peyton. Ya see, even when I said he wasn't able to execute, and he made mistakes cuz he still tried, he wasn't a cocky idiot, and tried to rely on the run game, short plays when he could. I don't think you can throw a 'serviceable' QB in there and expect him to do all the intangibles Peyton did. No one will have the vision, or.... [sigh] anything. IDK how long youo can take a defense for granted. It's already been compromised by the losses of Malik Jackson and Trevathan. Maybe you're right on Clady. If $10 mil, maybe time to move on. Or renegotiate. What was his last injury? Should have pretty fresh legs and all. In 2013 it was a Lisfranc Injury. 2015 was a torn ACL. He also tore his patella tendon playing basketball in 2010.
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Post by Divebitch on Mar 24, 2016 19:55:25 GMT -5
In 2013 it was a Lisfranc Injury. 2015 was a torn ACL. He also tore his patella tendon playing basketball in 2010. Thanks. Lisfranc is super-duper scary injury. And ACL, well, look at any player that gets it, they're done for the season. Look at players that get it, take AP, it was not his fault. So it's very encouraging that it was 2 separate ones, and the worst, potentially career ending one, was fully recovered from, as evidenced by 16 games in 2014. IDK what to make of the patella, but he missed no time. Speaking of time, it will tell. hehe I'm just glad we got CJ Anderson back. A diverse offensive attack helps an o-line with multiple weaknesses.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Mar 24, 2016 20:20:51 GMT -5
In 2013 it was a Lisfranc Injury. 2015 was a torn ACL. He also tore his patella tendon playing basketball in 2010. Thanks. Lisfranc is super-duper scary injury. And ACL, well, look at any player that gets it, they're done for the season. Look at players that get it, take AP, it was not his fault. So it's very encouraging that it was 2 separate ones, and the worst, potentially career ending one, was fully recovered from, as evidenced by 16 games in 2014. IDK what to make of the patella, but he missed no time. Speaking of time, it will tell. hehe I'm just glad we got CJ Anderson back. A diverse offensive attack helps an o-line with multiple weaknesses. What situation is a player at fault for an injury?
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Post by Jindred on Mar 24, 2016 22:02:45 GMT -5
Thanks. Lisfranc is super-duper scary injury. And ACL, well, look at any player that gets it, they're done for the season. Look at players that get it, take AP, it was not his fault. So it's very encouraging that it was 2 separate ones, and the worst, potentially career ending one, was fully recovered from, as evidenced by 16 games in 2014. IDK what to make of the patella, but he missed no time. Speaking of time, it will tell. hehe I'm just glad we got CJ Anderson back. A diverse offensive attack helps an o-line with multiple weaknesses. What situation is a player at fault for an injury? JPP?
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Post by Divebitch on Mar 24, 2016 22:06:12 GMT -5
Thanks. Lisfranc is super-duper scary injury. And ACL, well, look at any player that gets it, they're done for the season. Look at players that get it, take AP, it was not his fault. So it's very encouraging that it was 2 separate ones, and the worst, potentially career ending one, was fully recovered from, as evidenced by 16 games in 2014. IDK what to make of the patella, but he missed no time. Speaking of time, it will tell. hehe I'm just glad we got CJ Anderson back. A diverse offensive attack helps an o-line with multiple weaknesses. What situation is a player at fault for an injury? 'Fault' was for the sake of brevity, didn't really mean they caused their own injury. What I meant was that players with better physical conditioning and/or muscular bulk are probably less prone to injury than the exact same hit may have on another player. For example, put Cam in the play that injured RG3's ACL, and good chance he'd be fine. On the other hand, take a beast of a specimen, like Adrian Peterson, who no one would ever call 'injury prone', and almost anyone would be as crippled by it. A badly timed hit, with severity of injury decided by less than an inch likely. That's what was 'no fault' in my mind. IOW, I very loosely used 'fault' for someone of slight frame (thru no fault of their own), or even for someone with either congenitally or conditioning-wise predisposes them to injury. It could be anything from back problems (Romo) to turf toe (Gates), and many other players (Jahvid Best, RB Lions comes to mind) whose careers end way before their time. What situation is a player at fault for an injury? JPP? YES!!!
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Post by saskabronco on Mar 29, 2016 11:07:45 GMT -5
What situation is a player at fault for an injury? JPP? Also acceptable here would be Plaxico Burress...
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Post by saskabronco on Apr 9, 2016 21:41:32 GMT -5
Broncos trade Clady and a 7th to the Jets for a 5th round pick. Clady's 9.5 mil cap hit was too much for us. He likely would have restructured (as he did with the Jets already) but we don't really have a spot for him anymore. It was more of a cap dump for us than anything. Now maybe we have the space to go after Kaep.
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Post by Morkim on Apr 9, 2016 22:24:36 GMT -5
Broncos trade Clady and a 7th to the Jets for a 5th round pick. Clady's 9.5 mil cap hit was too much for us. He likely would have restructured (as he did with the Jets already) but we don't really have a spot for him anymore. It was more of a cap dump for us than anything. Now maybe we have the space to go after Kaep. Why haven't you addressed the fine that Von Miller got for his disgusting act he did on Television?
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