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Post by Morkim on Apr 12, 2015 11:39:47 GMT -5
You know what white supremacists said to excuse lynchings and police deaths in the riots? The protestors/black people instigated it by "starting things" When women get raped, the woman gets blamed as instigating it. Whenever somebody who has sympathy commits vile, vile crimes, the sympathetic person turns to blame the victim. Blaming the victim in cases of police terrorism, in the 1024 cases in 2014 and the rising numbers this year, is pathetic. We are in a police state Morkim. The majority of rural municipalities in this country are founded 50% or more by revenue generation from the police force. The police are a tax on the poor with the duel purpose of killing off undesirables and keeping racial minorities, the young, and poor white people off the ballots. In most states, if you have any criminal record, you can't vote. Because of this, the NYPD trolls into Brooklyn on a saturday night and has a rule: they pick up one minority for every patrolman on duty that night. Everybody gets one, if you don't get one, your buddy has to pick up two. They arrest you for things like loitering, impeding a sidewalk, public intoxication (even if you're not), or meeting the description of a crime that was called in (allegedly). You're hauled off in the back of a van usually, a cruiser if you're lucky. You arrive at the station 3 hours later because the pigs have to round up six more innocent people. When you get to the station, you send one night in jail. When you get bail, if you can make it, you're done. But most people can't along with other fees that get imposed on homeless people. If you can't make that bail, you can't vote in New York because suddenly you're an ex-con. In New York City, 40% of the black population is off the voter roles as a result. Statistics are even higher if you did it for poor people, but I don't have those numbers. The police in America are terrorists. Anyone who defends them are defending the greatest terrorist threat in the United States. ISIS killed no one within our borders in 2014. Police killed over a 1000 and impose more fear on racial minorities, the young and the poor. Seriously, laughable. Okay Juggs. Hope you don't call on this terrorist organization should something happen, right? Comparing a guy getting an overnight(or whatever he got) for being a condescending dick to the cop about a pen to rape. Kudos.
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Post by Juggs on Apr 12, 2015 11:48:05 GMT -5
Straw man arguments because you're floored. I didn't compare rape to an overnight and you know it. I have not ever called the police and do not ever plan to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 12:18:46 GMT -5
Admirable. More cops should do the same and learn from him. To SERVE AND PROTECT. Until then....its our/mine and the publics duty to expose and weed out the bad corrupted cops just like we weed out criminals. They hide behind their badges. They are worse than criminals.
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Post by Morkim on Apr 12, 2015 13:00:36 GMT -5
Straw man arguments because you're floored. I didn't compare rape to an overnight and you know it. I have not ever called the police and do not ever plan to. Your argument is insane Juggs. And you in fact did compare it to rape, because lol I'm victim blaming the idiots on YouTube. Give me a break. Like victim blaming people instigating the police is the same as blaming women being raped or black people for being black. Just smh. In a police state, do citizens get away with following cops and video taping their activity? I'm not saying cops don't do bad things. I am saying you're cherry picking the worst of incidents and blowing it up to insanity. How many cops do we have in the US? How many really are abusive? Nothing close to what you or Bengal were implying. No one wants to have to call the police. I sincerely hope you're never in a situation where you need to.
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Post by Juggs on Apr 12, 2015 13:19:33 GMT -5
I did not compare rape or racism to police violence. I discredited your argument by correctly labeling as victim blaming. If you're ashamed about being associated with such terrible things, maybe you should wake up to the fact that you are blaming the victim in this case.
Your argument that people wouldn't be able to film b/c it's a police state is a classic strawman. America being a police state is not contradictory to having the right to film the police. We have the first amendment. We can film whatever we want to, until a court says otherwise. The law/courts decide that, not the level at which the police control society.
I am NOT cherrypicking. The opposite is happening. I don't have the resources to report anywhere near the atrocities committed daily. A thousand deaths a year isn't cherrypicking.
Of course no one wants to kill the police. Those fucks would probably beat me death and shoot my dog like they have so often for others. I would rather take my chances as the victim of a crime than bring in terrorists to escalate the situation and fire weapons in my house, probably at me.
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Post by Morkim on Apr 12, 2015 13:33:40 GMT -5
I did not compare rape or racism to police violence. I discredited your argument by correctly labeling as victim blaming. If you're ashamed about being associated with such terrible things, maybe you should wake up to the fact that you are blaming the victim in this case. Your argument that people wouldn't be able to film b/c it's a police state is a classic strawman. America being a police state is not contradictory to having the right to film the police. We have the first amendment. We can film whatever we want to, until a court says otherwise. The law/courts decide that, not the level at which the police control society. I am NOT cherrypicking. The opposite is happening. I don't have the resources to report anywhere near the atrocities committed daily. A thousand deaths a year isn't cherrypicking. Of course no one wants to kill the police. Those fucks would probably beat me death and shoot my dog like they have so often for others. I would rather take my chances as the victim of a crime than bring in terrorists to escalate the situation and fire weapons in my house, probably at me. Blaming idiots for being idiots is not victim blaming. Did I deny cops do bad things? If police control everything, and they choose who votes based, why wouldn't the politicians protect them even more so than now by removing that right of recording the officers horrible injustices? Or is that just around the corner? Because of the police state we are in. But your argument is filled with blind hate and own brand of straw man. "Oh so often before" okay Juggs. My last post on this topic. Neither of our minds will change. You can think what you do, and I'll think you're being irrational and absurd.
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Post by Juggs on Apr 12, 2015 14:09:16 GMT -5
You're right about one thing, and that's that neither of our minds are going to change on this. I'm willing to let it go and I have no hard feelings against you or anyone else who feels any way on this issue, or any other. I don't mean to come across as hateful or irrational. I'm definitely too emotional and personally involved on this, but it doesn't make me wrong.
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Post by Jindred on Apr 12, 2015 15:30:30 GMT -5
You know what white supremacists said to excuse lynchings and police deaths in the riots? The protestors/black people instigated it by "starting things" When women get raped, the woman gets blamed as instigating it. Whenever somebody who has sympathy commits vile, vile crimes, the sympathetic person turns to blame the victim. Blaming the victim in cases of police terrorism, in the 1024 cases in 2014 and the rising numbers this year, is pathetic. We are in a police state Morkim. The majority of rural municipalities in this country are founded 50% or more by revenue generation from the police force. The police are a tax on the poor with the duel purpose of killing off undesirables and keeping racial minorities, the young, and poor white people off the ballots. In most states, if you have any criminal record, you can't vote. Because of this, the NYPD trolls into Brooklyn on a saturday night and has a rule: they pick up one minority for every patrolman on duty that night. Everybody gets one, if you don't get one, your buddy has to pick up two. They arrest you for things like loitering, impeding a sidewalk, public intoxication (even if you're not), or meeting the description of a crime that was called in (allegedly). You're hauled off in the back of a van usually, a cruiser if you're lucky. You arrive at the station 3 hours later because the pigs have to round up six more innocent people. When you get to the station, you send one night in jail. When you get bail, if you can make it, you're done. But most people can't along with other fees that get imposed on homeless people. If you can't make that bail, you can't vote in New York because suddenly you're an ex-con. In New York City, 40% of the black population is off the voter roles as a result. Statistics are even higher if you did it for poor people, but I don't have those numbers. The police in America are terrorists. Anyone who defends them are defending the greatest terrorist threat in the United States. ISIS killed no one within our borders in 2014. Police killed over a 1000 and impose more fear on racial minorities, the young and the poor. The statement I have bolded is the biggest bullshit generalization. Are there bad cops? Yes there are many bad cops. But there are also many good cops, you just don't see all the good stuff that is done day to day because the good stuff doesn't make the news. All you are seeing is the shit that makes headlines, and what is more likely to make headlines than shit that is provocative and that scares the masses? I am not defending the shitty cops, I am not saying there aren't lots of them and I am not saying there aren't problems, but I am willing to bet that there are a hell of a lot more good cops out there then there are bad, or there would be WAY more issues than there already are. Don't paint all cops with the same brush. Its like driving, yes there are a lot of shitty drivers, but there are more good drivers out there, because if there weren't there would be way more accidents. Do you remember a person on the road who is a good driver? No because nobody notices a good drive, you only notice the dick who cuts you off.
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Post by Juggs on Apr 12, 2015 15:52:52 GMT -5
Yeah, you're right. It's a generalization. But it's not a fringe of police who are causing problems. It's the organization itself that promotes revenue generation, terrorism, violence, and corruption.
My generalizations aren't about trying to characterize the majority. I think trying that is pointless. My generalizations are about characterizing the workings of the organization. The police institution in general is the world's most powerful terrorist organization. Whether or not members are consciously participating is irrelevant. Policemen who do not actually commit acts of terror do not justify the organization of terror. If a member of ISIS hasn't committed a murder, does that mean they aren't terrorists? No.
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Post by TonOdanK on Apr 15, 2015 16:45:41 GMT -5
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