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Post by saskabronco on Nov 26, 2014 0:06:53 GMT -5
I'm saying both sides are at fault for overreacting. This isn't a whodunit... It takes two sides. This specific issue is just a boiling over of ridiculous racial tension that has been brewing for years. Racism exists and you and Beast are proof of that. Do I blame you guys for all the bad things that black people do? No. They are responsible for their actions, but it is also a fact that police are extremely bias against black people in America and many are arrested and charged (and sometimes shot) without actually committing crimes. Trying to point fingers at one side or the other is not the answer... America is to blame for this because it has allowed these tensions to build up for so long. You didn't answer my simple question. But you are saying I'm racist. Did you read the article I posted that is Wilson's account? Did you see the injuries to his face and back of his head? Did you notice the first shot was point blank to Browns hand. And Wilson saying he was grabbing his gun? If you read the account that the grand jury studied, you would come to the same conclusion. Brown was attacking a police officer. The police officer feared for his life. All shots at Brown were to his front. Unlike the story the media told. The one to his head was from five feet. Brown was charging him. What would you do? It is just unfortunate that Brown was black and Wilson was white. There was no racism involved. It was a life or death situation. And I don't like you calling me racist just because I want to find the facts. If I was a huge dude and punched a cop in his car and tried to take his gun, I would expect to be shot. Doesn't matter my color. And it doesn't matter Browns color to me. He was a thug who made a deadly mistake. So let the world burn because he was black. That's stupid. You probably think people who disagree with Obama are racist right? What do you want me to say Craig? You want me to tell you that it's one side's fault or the other, but I'm telling you it's both. It's never as simple as just one side or the other. If you want to point fingers, point them at the people who brought the black people over as slaves. That's where the problem started and since then the country has constantly had issues with racism. Black people have been segregated and oppressed in countless different ways, and they have also acted out in horrible ways. Both sides are to blame in different ways to different degrees. And you openly admitted that you were being racist about this issue "I'm becoming racist over this crap." So don't get all bent out of shape with me calling you a racist. You started that one yourself. The account you shared is one account of the issue. Why should it be believed over other accounts? We don't know the whole truth so stop acting like you do. Either way, the cop pumped multiple bullets in Brown with definite intent to kill, not just subdue. Maybe it was necessary, maybe not, but assuming the worst of the victim and the best of the cop, despite very conflicting evidence, is wrong.
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Post by saskabronco on Nov 26, 2014 0:07:52 GMT -5
Oh and by the way Saska you are an impossible person to debate with because you NEVER acknowledge any point made by someone else. I have some good points but you refuse to have an open mind. What points did you make that I am not acknowledging?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 0:13:07 GMT -5
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Post by saskabronco on Nov 26, 2014 0:13:55 GMT -5
I'm saying both sides are at fault for overreacting. This isn't a whodunit... It takes two sides. This specific issue is just a boiling over of ridiculous racial tension that has been brewing for years. Racism exists and you and Beast are proof of that. Do I blame you guys for all the bad things that black people do? No. They are responsible for their actions, but it is also a fact that police are extremely bias against black people in America and many are arrested and charged (and sometimes shot) without actually committing crimes. Trying to point fingers at one side or the other is not the answer... America is to blame for this because it has allowed these tensions to build up for so long. Racism exists, but me nor Craig are examples of it.
Also, you are only hearing from the media every time a white police officer does something questionable to a black citizen. This is not a true representation of how AS A WHOLE the police force behaves towards African Americans. This is not a racial problem like I have said before, you are being spoonfed by the media into thinking this is about race, just like all the other mindless protestors and animals that are destroying stores, looting businesses, and physically harming other people.
I bet if you were on the wrong end of what the black protestors are doing, like maybe your business was looted, then MAYBE you would think differently of the black population in the U.S.
It's wrong what the protestors are doing, but I would never moronically blame an entire race because of some extremists. There are peaceful protests all over and a few examples where those got out of hand and turned into riots. It's not only black people and blaming the entire black population is just fucking idiotic. You ARE a perfect example of the racists who perpetuate the problem. There ARE serious problems with the way law enforcement in America treats black people. Just because you don't want to believe it, it doesn't make it not true.
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Post by saskabronco on Nov 26, 2014 0:16:21 GMT -5
Craig, read what I am writing. I answered your question multiple times. If you don't want to read my answer then don't. If you don't like my answer that's your problem. But the initial problem stems way, way back. Both sides of this are reactions to problems that have been around for a long time. Stop trying to force me to say what you want me to say and read what I am actually saying.
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Post by MarchingOn on Nov 26, 2014 0:17:04 GMT -5
Simple proof that the riots are just bull shit. If we took Wilson and hung him in public would they stop looting? Me thinks not. It's a frigging excuse to rob. Sorry but that's the way I see it. O.J. murdered two white people and got off. Any riots? Any looting? So a white cop shot an aggressive black guy who would not walk on the sidewalk, punched him, and tried to take his gun. So lets burn down America. If the Calvary came in and shot Pocohanis, would the Native Americans burned down their own teepees? I'm sick of human behavior in this case. AND YES I blame people like Al Sharpton and the black community. They are starting to riot in MY town. WHY? What the hell do we have to do with it? It's a race war waiting to happen. And I'm sorry but its all the black people do it. I have several black friends, customers, and even doctors. I take all people as individuals. But as a race, the blacks are proving to me they are thugs. Give it up. You have every right I have. You have every freedom I have, you have every opportunity I have. IF NOT MORE. Make a better use of it. I'm becoming racist over this crap. Stop the bull shit black people. Who cares if your black? Do you care about Nicole Simpson or Ronald Goldman? NO of course you don't. I can't even watch anymore, it makes me sick. Who cares if you're black, you ask? Sadly, a lot of people do. Racism remains one of the biggest issues in the world today, and I think to say otherwise is ignorant. People are not doing this for no reason whatsoever. Sure, in an ideal world, riots wouldn't be necessary and we could handle our situations in a more civil matter. We obviously don't live in an ideal world though, and sometimes there's not a lot of (arguably zero) options to chose from other than rioting to stop wrongdoings. Riots assisted in the civil rights movement. The Boston Tea Party was a riot. The point is, sometimes riots promote change for the good, for the better. At its core, these riots are not happening just so people can destroy and vandalize property, it’s a community saying "We can’t take this anymore, we won't take it." It’s people who feel they have been wronged to the point of rage. The rioting is stemming from a much bigger issue, which is that a a young minority may or may not have been racially profiled and killed because of it. I don't condone violence, and I believe from what I've read about this whole situation, the riots have gone too far. I don't doubt looters have taken advantage of these riots to steal things, but saying these riots are "just an excuse for people to rob things" is completely erroneous and off-base. And your examples of riots not happening after OJ Simpson and Pocahontas are silly. Some of your statements are cringeworthy and uncalled for. Black people are proving themselves as thugs? Sorry, but that's a stupid statement. I'm not going to sugarcoat anything. Look up the word "generalization" on google and become familiar with the term. Don't blame a whole race on a minuscule part of said race. It's also silly to think only black people are at fault for the riots. Are you just going to ignore this post craig440?
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Post by Beastified on Nov 26, 2014 0:19:42 GMT -5
Saska I like how you once said you would never debate with me again because I turn into a child and start throwing insults. Well you are the first one to name call here. See? You always start this.
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Post by saskabronco on Nov 26, 2014 0:20:47 GMT -5
Who cares if you're black, you ask? Sadly, a lot of people do. Racism remains one of the biggest issues in the world today, and I think to say otherwise is ignorant. People are not doing this for no reason whatsoever. Sure, in an ideal world, riots wouldn't be necessary and we could handle our situations in a more civil matter. We obviously don't live in an ideal world though, and sometimes there's not a lot of (arguably zero) options to chose from other than rioting to stop wrongdoings. Riots assisted in the civil rights movement. The Boston Tea Party was a riot. The point is, sometimes riots promote change for the good, for the better. At its core, these riots are not happening just so people can destroy and vandalize property, it’s a community saying "We can’t take this anymore, we won't take it." It’s people who feel they have been wronged to the point of rage. The rioting is stemming from a much bigger issue, which is that a a young minority may or may not have been racially profiled and killed because of it. I don't condone violence, and I believe from what I've read about this whole situation, the riots have gone too far. I don't doubt looters have taken advantage of these riots to steal things, but saying these riots are "just an excuse for people to rob things" is completely erroneous and off-base. And your examples of riots not happening after OJ Simpson and Pocahontas are silly. Some of your statements are cringeworthy and uncalled for. Black people are proving themselves as thugs? Sorry, but that's a stupid statement. I'm not going to sugarcoat anything. Look up the word "generalization" on google and become familiar with the term. Don't blame a whole race on a minuscule part of said race. It's also silly to think only black people are at fault for the riots. Are you just going to ignore this post craig440? He's been debating with me today, so he probably just took on my trait of apparently ignoring everything that I don't want to address. Sorry MO.
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Post by saskabronco on Nov 26, 2014 0:23:01 GMT -5
Saska I like how you once said you would never debate with me again because I turn into a child and start throwing insults. Well you are the first one to name call here. See? You always start this. Well when you start spewing racist BS, I'm tempted to call you moronic. If you showed an ounce of understanding of the actual situation, rather than just blaming black people for being criminals, I might show you an ounce of respect. Until then, I'll call you what you are.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 0:23:29 GMT -5
You didn't answer my simple question. But you are saying I'm racist. Did you read the article I posted that is Wilson's account? Did you see the injuries to his face and back of his head? Did you notice the first shot was point blank to Browns hand. And Wilson saying he was grabbing his gun? If you read the account that the grand jury studied, you would come to the same conclusion. Brown was attacking a police officer. The police officer feared for his life. All shots at Brown were to his front. Unlike the story the media told. The one to his head was from five feet. Brown was charging him. What would you do? It is just unfortunate that Brown was black and Wilson was white. There was no racism involved. It was a life or death situation. And I don't like you calling me racist just because I want to find the facts. If I was a huge dude and punched a cop in his car and tried to take his gun, I would expect to be shot. Doesn't matter my color. And it doesn't matter Browns color to me. He was a thug who made a deadly mistake. So let the world burn because he was black. That's stupid. You probably think people who disagree with Obama are racist right? What do you want me to say Craig? You want me to tell you that it's one side's fault or the other, but I'm telling you it's both. It's never as simple as just one side or the other. If you want to point fingers, point them at the people who brought the black people over as slaves. That's where the problem started and since then the country has constantly had issues with racism. Black people have been segregated and oppressed in countless different ways, and they have also acted out in horrible ways. Both sides are to blame in different ways to different degrees. And you openly admitted that you were being racist about this issue "I'm becoming racist over this crap." So don't get all bent out of shape with me calling you a racist. You started that one yourself. The account you shared is one account of the issue. Why should it be believed over other accounts? We don't know the whole truth so stop acting like you do. Either way, the cop pumped multiple bullets in Brown with definite intent to kill, not just subdue. Maybe it was necessary, maybe not, but assuming the worst of the victim and the best of the cop, despite very conflicting evidence, is wrong. Just to make this clear I said it is starting to make me racist against the race. If they burn down my city, I will be pissed. And if any race did that to you I hope you would be also. I take all people individually. But when a race declares war on my streets I will not like them. It's just human nature. Cops are trained to shot to kill. They don't try and wound. If you get yourself in a situation where the cop feels his life is in danger, he has a gun and you don't, you will probably die. So bottom line is don't punch a cop and try and take his gun. I don't care what color you or he is. But you saska and it seems half the black community does not get that. If I punched a cop three times and tried to take his gun, I would expect to either kill him, or he would kill me. Bottom line. This whole race thing is stupid. Bringing slaves into it is even stupider.
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