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Post by Jindred on Oct 26, 2014 13:49:19 GMT -5
You really just can't help it can you? If you don't have the time or inclination to discuss a football topic, then whatever Dive. But if you read the article, McCoy had 80 pressures last year. He has 20 sacks in 56 starts from the DT position. That's fairly impressive more so if you consider his injuries. But you're right Dive, discussing -anything- with you is not worth it. I assumed a bucs topic I could give me two cents without this getting personal. But I suppose not. All I said is McCoy doesn't seem worth it. IDK how you could've taken the above to mean anything else, except you like to argue? Paying to keep a top 3 DT in the league on your team isn't worth it? |
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Post by Divebitch on Oct 26, 2014 19:46:55 GMT -5
All I said is McCoy doesn't seem worth it. IDK how you could've taken the above to mean anything else, except you like to argue? Paying to keep a top 3 DT in the league on your team isn't worth it? You've not been listening to the conversation whatsoever. Please save this thread and let's come back a year and 2 from now, and see how McCoy is doing, K? However if all goes as I imagine, I might not be here. |
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Post by inoccent on Oct 26, 2014 20:05:01 GMT -5
It's a good contract. McCoy is definitely worth every penny he is getting. 31 other teams in the league would have given him this money if they had it. Only thing I don't like about it is now Suh is gonna be saying "McCoy got $100 million, I'm better. I want more. Pay me."
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Post by Jindred on Oct 26, 2014 22:26:43 GMT -5
Paying to keep a top 3 DT in the league on your team isn't worth it? You've not been listening to the conversation whatsoever. Please save this thread and let's come back a year and 2 from now, and see how McCoy is doing, K? However if all goes as I imagine, I might not be here. How could I listen to writing?  (purely a joke) But seriously I have read everything in here. This is McCoy's 3rd season playing at a top flight level and the only reason he didn't his first couple of seasons is due to injuries. He has proven himself the past two seasons to be a top 3 defensive tackle and this year he is reaffirming that he is just that. How many good seasons would you like of him before you pay him top flight money? Should it be 5? 7? Or is 2 and half good enough? I could also count his rookie season among his good ones, as his stats and play were impressive but were off track thanks to an injury. Robert Quinn only had 2 good seasons under his belt before he got a big contract. Watt only had 2 elite level seasons before his.. It seems that showing you can put 2 great season's together back to back is all a player needs to do to get paid in the league.. This is no different. |
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Post by Divebitch on Oct 27, 2014 8:30:10 GMT -5
You've not been listening to the conversation whatsoever. Please save this thread and let's come back a year and 2 from now, and see how McCoy is doing, K? However if all goes as I imagine, I might not be here. How could I listen to writing? (purely a joke) But seriously I have read everything in here. This is McCoy's 3rd season playing at a top flight level and the only reason he didn't his first couple of seasons is due to injuries. He has proven himself the past two seasons to be a top 3 defensive tackle and this year he is reaffirming that he is just that. How many good seasons would you like of him before you pay him top flight money? Should it be 5? 7? Or is 2 and half good enough? I could also count his rookie season among his good ones, as his stats and play were impressive but were off track thanks to an injury. Robert Quinn only had 2 good seasons under his belt before he got a big contract. Watt only had 2 elite level seasons before his.. It seems that showing you can put 2 great season's together back to back is all a player needs to do to get paid in the league.. This is no different. Sorta see your points. But I see 1 & 1/2, not 2 & 1/2 yrs, could be wrong. Also appreciate that careers are short-lived, one reason the 7 yr contract's super-bizarre to me. It's great to be that good, but IMO, not a super-skill position that you'll never find elsewhere if you do you due diligence in scouting, and maybe get a little lucky. The position is just not as important as others in terms of translating to wins. |
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Post by awesomeace on Oct 27, 2014 9:12:21 GMT -5
Keep in mind that we don't have the full details of the contract. For all we know, it's like a Kaep contract where the team can get out of it any year they want to.
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Post by nateball89 on Oct 27, 2014 15:49:46 GMT -5
That is crazy, and sets an awful precedent for the rest of the league. Who else would pay him that? Or maybe nateball89 would agree or contend that you gotta make it super attractive to keep them on a shitty team. Okay, he's good and does his job, but explain to me how he is even remotely special? www.nfl.com/player/geraldmccoy/496816/profile At least the Bills were dealing with bonafide stars. I see where you're coming from, but this isn't one of those situations. Bad teams usually have to overpay free agents to sign with them. With McCoy, like Juggs said, even if they're overpaying him, it's completely worth it because McCoy is a top 3 DT. The production they get out of McCoy warrants a big contract. It's also good for Tampa to reward him with a contract extension now rather than wait until his contract is up and try and lowball him like the Bills have done with some of their former home grown talent and then watch those guys sign with other teams. |
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Post by Juggs on Oct 27, 2014 16:02:47 GMT -5
You normally won't see me compliment the Titans front office, but they were very smart to extend Casey before McCoy and Suh get there deals.
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Post by Divebitch on Oct 27, 2014 19:44:38 GMT -5
That is crazy, and sets an awful precedent for the rest of the league. Who else would pay him that? Or maybe nateball89 would agree or contend that you gotta make it super attractive to keep them on a shitty team. Okay, he's good and does his job, but explain to me how he is even remotely special? www.nfl.com/player/geraldmccoy/496816/profile At least the Bills were dealing with bonafide stars. I see where you're coming from, but this isn't one of those situations. Bad teams usually have to overpay free agents to sign with them. With McCoy, like Juggs said, even if they're overpaying him, it's completely worth it because McCoy is a top 3 DT. The production they get out of McCoy warrants a big contract. It's also good for Tampa to reward him with a contract extension now rather than wait until his contract is up and try and lowball him like the Bills have done with some of their former home grown talent and then watch those guys sign with other teams. Okay, I'll take your word for it and everyone else's, since it seems I'm in the minority, like the only one. lol Just didn't think it was that big a skill position to warrant more than half that money. Is there really THAT big a diff between a top 3 and a top 10 or even 20? RBs don't get that kind of money (unless you're a Panther), and the diff in (MY PERCEIVED) value is huge between a top 3 and top 10. But funny how that can change year to year too. Murray? Really? Martin? Sucks? Really?  You normally won't see me compliment the Titans front office, but they were very smart to extend Casey before McCoy and Suh get there deals. So Casey got a lot less, eh? Suh is a household name, even if no one can spell it. He'll get paid. |
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Post by inoccent on Oct 27, 2014 20:27:49 GMT -5
I see where you're coming from, but this isn't one of those situations. Bad teams usually have to overpay free agents to sign with them. With McCoy, like Juggs said, even if they're overpaying him, it's completely worth it because McCoy is a top 3 DT. The production they get out of McCoy warrants a big contract. It's also good for Tampa to reward him with a contract extension now rather than wait until his contract is up and try and lowball him like the Bills have done with some of their former home grown talent and then watch those guys sign with other teams. Okay, I'll take your word for it and everyone else's, since it seems I'm in the minority, like the only one. lol Just didn't think it was that big a skill position to warrant more than half that money. Is there really THAT big a diff between a top 3 and a top 10 or even 20? RBs don't get that kind of money (unless you're a Panther), and the diff in (MY PERCEIVED) value is huge between a top 3 and top 10. But funny how that can change year to year too. Murray? Really? Martin? Sucks? Really? You normally won't see me compliment the Titans front office, but they were very smart to extend Casey before McCoy and Suh get there deals. So Casey got a lot less, eh? Suh is a household name, even if no one can spell it. He'll get paid. I just pay Suh ends up outside of the NFC North... sent from your moms bed |
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