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Post by saskabronco on Nov 11, 2014 8:22:57 GMT -5
are the playoffs tomorrow / I have gotten no long term prediction wrong yet. The Giants can lose 3 more games and still make the playoffs. what fixing ? employees do what they are told. Its a show. you are obviously not intellectually sound. I don't have to have correct predictions to prove games are staged. you simply don't logically understand that there are way too many unlikely outcomes happening over and over. If the games were played for real...QBs wouldn't last as long and there would be many more punts and field goals per game and per season.
LOL its fascinating that people think pro sports leagues are somehow more sacred and up front. this is a billions of dollars industry. you know absolutely nothing about large organized religion or big business or the wonderful world of national politics but all these things involve billions of dollars and you know its corrupt. why would a player complain ? he makes more money then the common man for 2 or 3 years work and if he complained he immediately called a freak by media and everyone in the league denies it. its not against the law for them to change the outcome of their games because everyone is hired to do that. Its not a secret and no one is being rogue about it.
here ,read this for starters thefixisin.net/theproof.html
Well, I did read the thing. My thoughts: - It basically says this stuff is possible/legal for the teams/leagues to do, therefore they must be doing it. This doesn't make much sense. Just because something could be gotten away with, doesn't necessarily mean it is in fact happening as the writer claims. I think it's a bit of a jump to say something "may be happening" to "it is happening" because of perceived questionable outcomes. - One thing I found about the writing: it kinda sucks. Whoever the author may be, he/she is not very good at proofreading their own work. - In "Fact 1", the author states: "The "Big Four" professional sports leagues - the National Football League (NFL), Major League Baseball (MLB), National Basketball Association (NBA), and National Hockey League (NHL) - possess drafts, anti-trust exemptions and revenue sharing. If the teams within these leagues were truly independent entities, none of this would exist as its flies in the face of the free market companies they purport to be." While in the real world of businesses this may be true, in professional team sports it does not equate. They're not independent. They actually rely on each other. If sports teams were as the real business world is there would be far fewer teams, as the bigger revenue teams would force the others out of business. If there's far fewer teams, there is LESS MONEY to be made, because there would be fewer revenue streams for said teams. The leagues realized this years ago and have recognized the necessity to keep each team afloat, which is one of the reasons that teams will change cities from time to time, or in some cases, force the owner to sell to a more stable owner. More teams = more games = more money. That much is pretty simple to understand I think, so this idea that the revenue sharing/anti-trust, etc parts of the individual leagues "proves" they're absolutely involved in fixing any games...again, doesn't compute, unless of course, you've got an agenda and you're desperately trying to sell that. - Saying "sports is entertainment" these days isn't really proving anything, either. It's been said for YEARS. It's still a game, and here's the thing about that: MOST of the people that watch any of the professional team sports leagues have played the games at some point in their lives. Of course at a much lower level, but they still played. MOST of the audience is familiar with how the games go, so to compare what they do to what happens in other forms of entertainment, in which most people have NOT participated in, would also be pointless. The movie "magic" that happens in Hollywood or on T.V. is possible because of several factors, the least of which is different techniques used in creating the story they're telling. To routinely fool 300 million people every game would be much more difficult to do than the writer states. This is one reason why many sports movies fail. The believability factor of the game ON THE FIELD during the telling of the stories is much more difficult to pull off, and so the story suffers because of it. Having a league of actors moving in unison just right or placing a ball in the exact location at the exact time isn't that easy (one reason why the game of football is the ultimate team sport). Movies have the advantage of re-takes, where live action does not. - The story of the Jets fan suing NE and the judge dismissing the case is pointless also. This is a JETS fan we're talking about. Of course he hates NE and if he can profit at all at the team's expense, why not give it a shot? A woman won money from McDonald's for spilling coffee on herself a while back. People sue for anything. I think there's a lot of "this happened so THAT must be the reason" here. Am I saying this never happens? No. It's possible for things to happen from time to time - refs making a call (especially in Basketball) where they wouldn't, or maybe NOT making the call they should - but to look at what things may appear to be and make the jump to "this is definitely how things are" because it's an on-going conspiracy is a little bit much. I'm not convinced. I'd need to see more than one questionable writer's leaps of logic. That's a solid response. I had read that article as well, and agree with all of your points. Sadly though, you are dealing with someone here who has no interest in logic and reason. He either won't respond to you because he has nothing he can say back to you, or he might respond back at one or two points you made that he sees some sort of flaw in that and sees a chance to 'win' somewhere (but the majority of your response will go untouched), or he will just act like you're crazy and ignorant and dismiss your response as if you have no idea what you're talking about. I agree that there are likely certain instances where referees, team officials or players might do something to intentionally affect the outcome of a game in an unnatural way. There is money to be made by doing that, and a lot of people do crazy things for money. What I could never accept is his premise that the entire leagues are all scripted and have a set plan in place that everyone follows. It's just unrealistic to think that such a massive hoax could be maintained for so long, with so many people involved, without a single leak ever coming out. That means every player who has ever been a part of the league knows that someone is telling them who has to win and by how much, but no one has ever let it leak. Not every player stands to profit from going along with such a hoax, and in fact many players who only play a few games and then never play again would stand to profit far greater if they were able to expose the league for the lie that it is. |
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Post by awesomeace on Nov 17, 2014 12:09:07 GMT -5
A reddit thread said the Steelers were 2-10 in their last 10 games against opponents who had a record worse than 0.200.... I don't know if it's true or not but that's amazing
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Post by ram29jackson on Nov 18, 2014 21:01:39 GMT -5
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I said read it for starters. You aren't supposed to stop right there.
claims ? leaps of logic ? you are the one claiming that because you saw a team on tv go to 4 super bowls in a row that it just happened naturally without any proof of your own. A defender can prove to be beaten by a receiver just like a wrestler can fake he is pinned down. Its not hard.
it could happen once in a while ? if it happens more than twice I'm already more right than you are and the league has lost total credibility. Claims?
you simply just accept the Jets beating Pitt and the Rams beating Denver ? Someone somewhere made millions on those incredibly unlikely outcomes while ripping off the masses on what should have been a sure bet but you chant the mantra " anything can happen" without thinking for yourself.
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Post by 999Bronco on Nov 24, 2014 1:58:09 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 11:49:10 GMT -5
53 plus years of watching football, I have never seen a better catch than that! Truly amazing.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Nov 24, 2014 19:08:25 GMT -5
Talib's hamstring hurt again. But of course he claims he has never had a hamstring injury so maybe Denver is lying...
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Post by 999Bronco on Nov 25, 2014 19:00:46 GMT -5
Talib's hamstring hurt again. But of course he claims he has never had a hamstring injury so maybe Denver is lying... Spygate. #shotsfired No but really, he might even play this week so it's not really that big of a deal. What is a big deal though, is that you said Sanders wouldn't even replicate Decker's production. #4 in yards receiving. On pace for over 100 recep. Matched Decker, then surpassed him. |
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Post by patriotsk1d on Nov 25, 2014 19:19:55 GMT -5
Talib's hamstring hurt again. But of course he claims he has never had a hamstring injury so maybe Denver is lying... Spygate. #shotsfired No but really, he might even play this week so it's not really that big of a deal. What is a big deal though, is that you said Sanders wouldn't even replicate Decker's production. #4 in yards receiving. On pace for over 100 recep. Matched Decker, then surpassed him. Not sure I said that about Sanders, maybe something along the lines of him not directly replacing Decker. I have always been a fan of Sanders, but he is a completely different type of receiver. Either way Denver's long term plan is pretty simple: either use the players McDaniels drafted, sign former Pats, or sign players who New England had interest in at some point. Talib on the other hand has never played an entire 16 games and no it doesnt have to do with him being a physical player. His hamstring goes out almost every year, although he claims that Tampa and New England were lying on the injury report. He will probably claim the same exact thing if Denver cuts him next season once he winds up in prison. BTW you can change the avatar, more than enough time served. |
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Post by 999Bronco on Nov 26, 2014 0:41:00 GMT -5
Spygate. #shotsfired No but really, he might even play this week so it's not really that big of a deal. What is a big deal though, is that you said Sanders wouldn't even replicate Decker's production. #4 in yards receiving. On pace for over 100 recep. Matched Decker, then surpassed him. Not sure I said that about Sanders, maybe something along the lines of him not directly replacing Decker. I have always been a fan of Sanders, but he is a completely different type of receiver. Either way Denver's long term plan is pretty simple: either use the players McDaniels drafted, sign former Pats, or sign players who New England had interest in at some point. Talib on the other hand has never played an entire 16 games and no it doesnt have to do with him being a physical player. His hamstring goes out almost every year, although he claims that Tampa and New England were lying on the injury report. He will probably claim the same exact thing if Denver cuts him next season once he winds up in prison. BTW you can change the avatar, more than enough time served. Yeah, a different type of receiver, but overall much better than Decker was. Yes, we do sign former Pats/players they had interest in, but actually a lot of our starters have been drafted by Fox. Can you blame the Broncos for using DT on offense? I think he's the only 2010 draftee by the Broncos left on the roster. Prison, eh? I would make a LeGarrete joke about his off the field issues, but I think it would be too Blount. Ye I know, I'm lazy. I'll get around to it. |
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Post by Jindred on Nov 26, 2014 1:00:41 GMT -5
And btw, it was a great game Jindred. That definitely was a spectacular game to be at! I wish Miami would have pulled it out but in a way I was glad for Denver to win cause the atmosphere on the 2 mile walk home was sure a fun one! Few things to note about the game. 1. Miami really needs to start using Miller more often. He is averaging 5 YPC pretty much every game and yet for some reason whenever we get a lead we stop running the ball its agravating! 2. Manning can only be held for so long when his O-line plays decent. Also noted that Cam Wake didn't play much of the game, never heard what was wrong with him.. 3. Fuck you D. Thomas! Catching 3 TDs not only fucked over Miamis win but lost me a game in fantasy! Watching him and Manning together in person was spectacular. I liken watching great football players to seeing great paintings or hearing phenomenal music, its just amazing to experience people doing what they do best. 4. Could have won that game if not for Tannehills inaccuracy at bad points in the game. 5. I think CJ Anderson is the real deal. He IMO is the best back the Broncos have used all year. Hillman and Ball are OK but I think Anderson should be your guy from here on out. 6. Three douches were sitting behind me all game, and to start the game they were obnoxious douches who were drunk off their faces, 2 black broncos fans perpetuating some of the thug stereo types and a White Miami fan who was trying to act black. Wonderfully they went to the bathroom after the first quarter and came back quite high so all I heard the rest of the game from them was giggles lol. 7. Broncos fans are good fans. For the most part they aren't horribly obnoxious to the opposing teams fans, there were lots of people repping Miami gear there and none where heckled any more than good natured ribbing. I would go back to Denver in a heart beat, its a great city with a really safe feeling down town and a fun loving atmosphere, going to a game has made me like the Broncos team more that did. |
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