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Post by plax on Sept 4, 2014 15:55:46 GMT -5
You are not considering wear-and-tear on a RB as a season progresses, which is a big problem in your argument
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Post by MarchingOn on Sept 4, 2014 16:00:14 GMT -5
Extrapolating anything kills your argument MarchingOnDidn't you agree with me it was dumb when I said a RB in college football was on pace for 52 TDs? Extrapolating after one game is awfully dumb. But extrapolating after you have seasonal statistics? There's a big difference in that. Also, I'm not saying as an absolute that he would be near those yard marks. Extrapolation isn't something that comes out as fact in reality. But it's a great indicator of what a player could have done.
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Post by MarchingOn on Sept 4, 2014 16:01:55 GMT -5
You are not considering wear-and-tear on a RB as a season progresses, which is a big problem in your argument Am I really not? Those stats are extrapolations after the season ended though, so the wear and tear progress was already done by that time.
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Post by Morkim on Sept 4, 2014 16:05:04 GMT -5
You are not considering wear-and-tear on a RB as a season progresses, which is a big problem in your argument Am I really not? Those stats are extrapolations after the season ended though, so the wear and tear progress was already done by that time. You're kidding right? 280 carries =/= same wear and tear as 100ish carries. And you didn't so my 1/10 thing!
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Post by MarchingOn on Sept 4, 2014 16:09:23 GMT -5
Well, I would say making the good read doesn't necessarily mean they are a good blocker. I can't speak about Charles' blocking ability, but Mccoy is a dreadful blocker according to PFF. Pierre is on this list. He has no business being in the best RB conversation, but as a complete back, I have an immensely hard time seeing anybody better all around than Thomas, other than Forte. Scale of 1/10 how good of a rusher and pass catcher and rusher are PT/Bradshaw? (Seperate ratings) now do Jamaal and McCoy. Add in 1/10 pass pro. (Although I thought McCoy was better than that, and I don't think he's bad, or else he wouldnt be asked to do it so much. Wonder how much of that is a by product of Vick) I'm still looking, but I know I've read a couple articles that PFF had Jamaal in the top 10 as a pass pro. PT: Rushing: 8 Receiving 9 Blocking: 7 I don't know nearly as much about Bradshaw as I do Pierre, but if I had to guess, I'd probably say like Rushing: 8 Receiving: 6 Blocking: 10 Jamaal: Rushing: 10 Receiving: 9 Blocking: 1 (since you told me to) Mccoy: Rushing: 9 Receiving: 10 Blocking 1: (since you told me to)
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Post by MarchingOn on Sept 4, 2014 16:13:50 GMT -5
Am I really not? Those stats are extrapolations after the season ended though, so the wear and tear progress was already done by that time. You're kidding right? 280 carries =/= same wear and tear as 100ish carries. And you didn't so my 1/10 thing! But how do you know Pierre can't handle the wear and tear? You're making an assumption there. His YpC may have dropped a little more if he actually got 280 carries, but I doubt it'd be anything drastic to where he didn't reach at least 1200 yards.
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Post by MarchingOn on Sept 4, 2014 16:26:26 GMT -5
Scale of 1/10 how good of a rusher and pass catcher and rusher are PT/Bradshaw? (Seperate ratings) now do Jamaal and McCoy. Add in 1/10 pass pro. (Although I thought McCoy was better than that, and I don't think he's bad, or else he wouldnt be asked to do it so much. Wonder how much of that is a by product of Vick) I'm still looking, but I know I've read a couple articles that PFF had Jamaal in the top 10 as a pass pro. PT: Rushing: 8 Receiving 9 Blocking: 7 I don't know nearly as much about Bradshaw as I do Pierre, but if I had to guess, I'd probably say like Rushing: 8 Receiving: 6 Blocking: 10 Jamaal: Rushing: 10 Receiving: 9 Blocking: 1 (since you told me to) Mccoy: Rushing: 9 Receiving: 10 Blocking 1: (since you told me to) And if you're curious as to what I'd rate Forte, it'd be Rushing: 8 Receiving: 10 Blocking: 10
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Post by Jancey on Sept 4, 2014 16:39:20 GMT -5
PT: Rushing: 8 Receiving 9 Blocking: 7 I don't know nearly as much about Bradshaw as I do Pierre, but if I had to guess, I'd probably say like Rushing: 8 Receiving: 6 Blocking: 10 Jamaal: Rushing: 10 Receiving: 9 Blocking: 1 (since you told me to) Mccoy: Rushing: 9 Receiving: 10 Blocking 1: (since you told me to) And if you're curious as to what I'd rate Forte, it'd be Rushing: 8 Receiving: 10 Blocking: 10 I find it funny you're rating McCoy a 1 as a blocker based off of PFF and Forte a 10 when he was the 2nd worst behind McCoy. I'm not saying Forte isn't a great blocker or anything about either because I'm honestly not sure how good of a blocker either of them are tbch
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Post by Jancey on Sept 4, 2014 16:40:26 GMT -5
JC is not a better pure runner than Shady. And I don't understand how Bradshaw and Thomas are 1 point lower than Shady on rushing...
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Post by MarchingOn on Sept 4, 2014 16:47:58 GMT -5
And if you're curious as to what I'd rate Forte, it'd be Rushing: 8 Receiving: 10 Blocking: 10 I find it funny you're rating McCoy a 1 as a blocker based off of PFF and Forte a 10 when he was the 2nd worst behind McCoy. I'm not saying Forte isn't a great blocker or anything about either because I'm honestly not sure how good of a blocker either of them are tbch I only gave Mccoy a 1 in blocking because Morkim told me to. That's why I had the (since you told me to) besides those . I don't actually believe he's a 1.
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