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Post by plax on Mar 7, 2014 21:25:11 GMT -5
Jindredyou are comparing getting to the NFL to when he is already there? i bet if Lattimore could have a chance to not get injured, he would. Clowney had the #1 pick locked in, why risk anything? he was smart. I really don't understand how him not trying helped him avoid injury? Any play that he was in there there was potential for him to be injured how does him trying or not change that? Any play he could have his leg rolled over or any other freak accidents. Maybe he should have just taken the season off if he wanted to avoid injury. What I see is a player who puts his own needs before the team, and yes I am absolutely comparing him before the NFL to when he is in it. What else do I have to go off of? I have seen him not try because he seemingly already has what he needs, why should I expect him to do any different? How people act in the past is a good way to make an assumption of what they will do in the future. People can change, but most won't. first off, he tried to sit the season, team would not let him. when you are trying hard, you tend not to think as clearly and be as aware of your surroundings; giving you a higher risk of injury. you have nothing to go off of, which is why it makes me laugh when people try to assume that Clowney avoiding injury this year will translate to him not trying in the NFL.
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Post by Jindred on Mar 7, 2014 21:26:25 GMT -5
He saw what Lattimore went through twice dude. I know it's not great to not go all out for his team, but it's unfair considering his circumstances to assume things of his work ethic based on last year. I understand why he did it, I just don't agree with it. If Lattimore had not gone out and played to the best of his abilities would it really have changed anything? As a RB you take hits, a large amount of those hits are inches away from being season ending injuries what does his effort change?
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Post by Jindred on Mar 7, 2014 21:37:11 GMT -5
I really don't understand how him not trying helped him avoid injury? Any play that he was in there there was potential for him to be injured how does him trying or not change that? Any play he could have his leg rolled over or any other freak accidents. Maybe he should have just taken the season off if he wanted to avoid injury. What I see is a player who puts his own needs before the team, and yes I am absolutely comparing him before the NFL to when he is in it. What else do I have to go off of? I have seen him not try because he seemingly already has what he needs, why should I expect him to do any different? How people act in the past is a good way to make an assumption of what they will do in the future. People can change, but most won't. first off, he tried to sit the season, team would not let him. when you are trying hard, you tend not to think as clearly and be as aware of your surroundings; giving you a higher risk of injury. you have nothing to go off of, which is why it makes me laugh when people try to assume that Clowney avoiding injury this year will translate to him not trying in the NFL. I don't assume he won't try I question. I don't know if Clowney will come in and give me his all every game if I draft him. He might but I don't know and what else do I have to go off of but how he has acted in the past? I also call BS that it is a higher risk of injury if you go all out. I think playing tentatively gives ups your chances of injury because you aren't going as hard as everyone around you you are more likely to get run over when you are holding back and the other person isn't. See that bothers me that he is willing to sit for his own gain as opposed to wanting to help his team win a championship. I can absolutely assume he is selfish.
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Post by Shaggzfate on Mar 8, 2014 11:21:59 GMT -5
1. Clowney's lazy streak is the reason, he'll never live up to where he'll be drafted. That kind of lazy streak should have taken him out of the top 10, in my opinion.
2. The northeast may, but most football fans aren't as evolved as NBA fans when it comes to acceptance.
He'll still go a lot higher than 4th, a lot of teams need DL players, and he's one of the better ones in the draft. His only mark here is that he told the world who he was. 1 - cannot say i understand everyone going up and arms about Clowney getting "lazy" this past year. he did not even want to play so he could avoid injury. he proved what he could do two years ago, and will only get better. he dogged this year because he did not want to end up like Lattimore. 2 - i don't see much of a difference in NFL fans and NBA fans. if you are regarding to the nature of the fans in the crowd during the games, he just needs to zone them out like everyone else does. we do not know how the players will be in an NFL locker room towards Sam, but it all depends on the environment of the locker room, not as much the area where he is playing. if the players accept him, the fans will too. 3 - he is a situational pass rusher at best. those guys do not go in the top 3 rounds. and this is one of the deepest classes in a while, so he is gonna go 4th round or later. But there inlays the problem with cloweny doesn't it? Injury is part of the sport, and if you start playing to avoid them then you lose your edge, and you're deffinately not a top 10 player. He wants to be healthy to start his NFL career? Fine, that's understandable, but he still had a job to do in college and he slowed down due to his next job? What happens if he gets drafted by a team he doesn't want to be on? What about a contract year? If he does this at the end of his rookie contract because he wants a bigger paycheck or to play for another pro team then what? What he did was give just enough to skate through, which reminds so much of McClain. I'm worried with that type of mentality that it'll be about the money, and not about the game.
As for my NFL fan comment regarding sam, I am talking about my experiences with people online and their stupidity towards the subject. I know not all fans are like that, hell we aren't like that, but the idiots will be out in droves when he does start to play. That's why I am worried about the south the most, because the religious aspect, you know, those good christians who go to church ever sunday and act like saints then turn around and cast judgement and hate the rest of the week. I'm worried about fans constantly throwing trash at him while they are going though the tunnel or that one stupid fan who gets a gun into the game. As for the north, it'll be insults (thinking of Philly here and what they did to santa) but it wouldn't be as bad as the south. I just don't think the average NFL fan would be tolerant to start. We shall see though, cause it'll all be happening this year. I'm just worried about the kid is all.
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Post by Morkim on Mar 8, 2014 13:13:49 GMT -5
1 - cannot say i understand everyone going up and arms about Clowney getting "lazy" this past year. he did not even want to play so he could avoid injury. he proved what he could do two years ago, and will only get better. he dogged this year because he did not want to end up like Lattimore. 2 - i don't see much of a difference in NFL fans and NBA fans. if you are regarding to the nature of the fans in the crowd during the games, he just needs to zone them out like everyone else does. we do not know how the players will be in an NFL locker room towards Sam, but it all depends on the environment of the locker room, not as much the area where he is playing. if the players accept him, the fans will too. 3 - he is a situational pass rusher at best. those guys do not go in the top 3 rounds. and this is one of the deepest classes in a while, so he is gonna go 4th round or later. But there inlays the problem with cloweny doesn't it? Injury is part of the sport, and if you start playing to avoid them then you lose your edge, and you're deffinately not a top 10 player. He wants to be healthy to start his NFL career? Fine, that's understandable, but he still had a job to do in college and he slowed down due to his next job? What happens if he gets drafted by a team he doesn't want to be on? What about a contract year? If he does this at the end of his rookie contract because he wants a bigger paycheck or to play for another pro team then what? What he did was give just enough to skate through, which reminds so much of McClain. I'm worried with that type of mentality that it'll be about the money, and not about the game.
As for my NFL fan comment regarding sam, I am talking about my experiences with people online and their stupidity towards the subject. I know not all fans are like that, hell we aren't like that, but the idiots will be out in droves when he does start to play. That's why I am worried about the south the most, because the religious aspect, you know, those good christians who go to church ever sunday and act like saints then turn around and cast judgement and hate the rest of the week. I'm worried about fans constantly throwing trash at him while they are going though the tunnel or that one stupid fan who gets a gun into the game. As for the north, it'll be insults (thinking of Philly here and what they did to santa) but it wouldn't be as bad as the south. I just don't think the average NFL fan would be tolerant to start. We shall see though, cause it'll all be happening this year. I'm just worried about the kid is all. Your geographical views seem to be very stereotypical. Are all Atlanta fans redneck religious hicks? As to Clowney, you said he had a job in college. That's kind of the point, isn't it? He didn't have a job. He wasn't getting paid. This is a dudes livelihood. I suppose if you want to wonder how he'll act for his next contract that's fair. But if he's as dominant as he can be before that, I doubt he gets to play out his contract year. So that fixes that, right?
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Post by Shaggzfate on Mar 8, 2014 13:54:13 GMT -5
But there inlays the problem with cloweny doesn't it? Injury is part of the sport, and if you start playing to avoid them then you lose your edge, and you're deffinately not a top 10 player. He wants to be healthy to start his NFL career? Fine, that's understandable, but he still had a job to do in college and he slowed down due to his next job? What happens if he gets drafted by a team he doesn't want to be on? What about a contract year? If he does this at the end of his rookie contract because he wants a bigger paycheck or to play for another pro team then what? What he did was give just enough to skate through, which reminds so much of McClain. I'm worried with that type of mentality that it'll be about the money, and not about the game.
As for my NFL fan comment regarding sam, I am talking about my experiences with people online and their stupidity towards the subject. I know not all fans are like that, hell we aren't like that, but the idiots will be out in droves when he does start to play. That's why I am worried about the south the most, because the religious aspect, you know, those good christians who go to church ever sunday and act like saints then turn around and cast judgement and hate the rest of the week. I'm worried about fans constantly throwing trash at him while they are going though the tunnel or that one stupid fan who gets a gun into the game. As for the north, it'll be insults (thinking of Philly here and what they did to santa) but it wouldn't be as bad as the south. I just don't think the average NFL fan would be tolerant to start. We shall see though, cause it'll all be happening this year. I'm just worried about the kid is all. Your geographical views seem to be very stereotypical. Are all Atlanta fans redneck religious hicks? As to Clowney, you said he had a job in college. That's kind of the point, isn't it? He didn't have a job. He wasn't getting paid. This is a dudes livelihood. I suppose if you want to wonder how he'll act for his next contract that's fair. But if he's as dominant as he can be before that, I doubt he gets to play out his contract year. So that fixes that, right? It is geo-stereotypical, but it is for good reason. It's not everyone, but a few bad apples spoils the bunch.
As for Clowney, he did have a job. It doesn't matter if money was involved, he made a commitment, and he failed to live up to it fully his last year. A job isn't about monetary gain, that's just an end reward, a job is the work you agreed to do. As a GM you need to look at his choice to do so, because it shows a startling crack in his character. Also, to say he didn't receive money for his services isn't exactly true either, I'm sure he was given scholarships to play football, and probably got near to, or a complete full ride through college. It shows he'll give up when it doesn't suit him. He'll give up like McClain, or Moss for the Raiders, when faced by adversity. That right there is another red flag, because he's going to end up on a bad team, he's a top 10 pick. If his team, no, when his team is losing the season, will he give up and wait for next year? Will he quit trying?
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Post by Morkim on Mar 8, 2014 14:09:18 GMT -5
Your geographical views seem to be very stereotypical. Are all Atlanta fans redneck religious hicks? As to Clowney, you said he had a job in college. That's kind of the point, isn't it? He didn't have a job. He wasn't getting paid. This is a dudes livelihood. I suppose if you want to wonder how he'll act for his next contract that's fair. But if he's as dominant as he can be before that, I doubt he gets to play out his contract year. So that fixes that, right? It is geo-stereotypical, but it is for good reason. It's not everyone, but a few bad apples spoils the bunch.
As for Clowney, he did have a job. It doesn't matter if money was involved, he made a commitment, and he failed to live up to it fully his last year. A job isn't about monetary gain, that's just an end reward, a job is the work you agreed to do. As a GM you need to look at his choice to do so, because it shows a startling crack in his character. Also, to say he didn't receive money for his services isn't exactly true either, I'm sure he was given scholarships to play football, and probably got near to, or a complete full ride through college. It shows he'll give up when it doesn't suit him. He'll give up like McClain, or Moss for the Raiders, when faced by adversity. That right there is another red flag, because he's going to end up on a bad team, he's a top 10 pick. If his team, no, when his team is losing the season, will he give up and wait for next year? Will he quit trying? How are they for good reason? You just said it yourself, a few bad eggs. There's a few bad eggs -everywhere- not just in the south. You don't think the west coast has some? And you're making a lot of big jumps on assumptions of Clowneys character. That's all I'm saying on that.
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Post by Shaggzfate on Mar 8, 2014 14:18:36 GMT -5
It is geo-stereotypical, but it is for good reason. It's not everyone, but a few bad apples spoils the bunch.
As for Clowney, he did have a job. It doesn't matter if money was involved, he made a commitment, and he failed to live up to it fully his last year. A job isn't about monetary gain, that's just an end reward, a job is the work you agreed to do. As a GM you need to look at his choice to do so, because it shows a startling crack in his character. Also, to say he didn't receive money for his services isn't exactly true either, I'm sure he was given scholarships to play football, and probably got near to, or a complete full ride through college. It shows he'll give up when it doesn't suit him. He'll give up like McClain, or Moss for the Raiders, when faced by adversity. That right there is another red flag, because he's going to end up on a bad team, he's a top 10 pick. If his team, no, when his team is losing the season, will he give up and wait for next year? Will he quit trying? How are they for good reason? You just said it yourself, a few bad eggs. There's a few bad eggs -everywhere- not just in the south. You don't think the west coast has some? And you're making a lot of big jumps on assumptions of Clowneys character. That's all I'm saying on that. There are bad apples everywhere yes, but the west has been more liberal than the southeast in particular. They've dealt with the Gay Rights issues for a lot longer, and it's been more accepted over all due to that fact. This is going off of political crap, but the south is more right wing, more old school, more "Duck Dynasty" with their line of thinking. It's not everyone, and it's not fair to say everyone will be that way, but there are those who would, those who are so "Right Wing" that they will go that extra mile to enforce their personal beliefs on someone else, or hate them for their choices. Don't get me wrong, even here in the southwest there is stupid shit. Look at AZ, they even tried to pass a law that would legally allow businesses to deny a person service due to them being gay. They made it legal for cops to pull anyone over who had a medium dark skin color because they might be "illegal".
My line of thought there is more the west coast, like SF, OAK, SD, and SEA. Those cities that have openly embraced it. On the field, on game day there may not be a problem, but what about that one fan who finds out where he lives and tries to do something stupid? I'm not worried about the teams or players, they will accept him for being a football player, it's some of the communities that wouldn't.
As for Clowney, I'm not making any assumptions, that's exactly what he shown last season. He can try to justify it anyway he wants, but actions speak louder than words.
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