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Post by plax on Mar 7, 2014 8:06:33 GMT -5
you shut it! lol I meant Juggs........ Shut it anyway!
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steeldevil
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Post by steeldevil on Mar 7, 2014 9:32:17 GMT -5
I really hope the teams with the first 14 picks feel the same way about Watkins.
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Post by Shaggzfate on Mar 7, 2014 17:37:42 GMT -5
I agree with this list for the most part. It's not really a talent issue, it's a where they will go in the draft versus where they should go. Clowney would be at the top of my list of over inflated draft placement.
Micheal Sam should do good, and I think he'll go mid second to late third. The only problem is he really only has a fair shot if he's on a western team, if he gets drafted to a southern team he'll be a target, the northern fans won't openly accept him, and the east would be nearly the same. Talentwise it's all there, but now that he came out the fans will be cruel, regardless of how good he is.
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Post by plax on Mar 7, 2014 17:42:56 GMT -5
I agree with this list for the most part. It's not really a talent issue, it's a where they will go in the draft versus where they should go. Clowney would be at the top of my list of over inflated draft placement.
Micheal Sam should do good, and I think he'll go mid second to late third. The only problem is he really only has a fair shot if he's on a western team, if he gets drafted to a southern team he'll be a target, the northern fans won't openly accept him, and the east would be nearly the same. Talentwise it's all there, but now that he came out the fans will be cruel, regardless of how good he is. 1 - Clowney over-inflated draft placement? huh? 2 - Sam going 2nd-3rd? that would have been his absolute best-case scenario before he came out. He is going 4th round at the earliest 3 - why wouldn't the northest accept him? not sure where you have the idea where we wouldn't accept him. and the Brooklyn Nets in the NBA has a gay player on their team, and nothing has been wrong at all.
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Post by Shaggzfate on Mar 7, 2014 17:54:01 GMT -5
I agree with this list for the most part. It's not really a talent issue, it's a where they will go in the draft versus where they should go. Clowney would be at the top of my list of over inflated draft placement.
Micheal Sam should do good, and I think he'll go mid second to late third. The only problem is he really only has a fair shot if he's on a western team, if he gets drafted to a southern team he'll be a target, the northern fans won't openly accept him, and the east would be nearly the same. Talentwise it's all there, but now that he came out the fans will be cruel, regardless of how good he is. 1 - Clowney over-inflated draft placement? huh? 2 - Sam going 2nd-3rd? that would have been his absolute best-case scenario before he came out. He is going 4th round at the earliest 3 - why wouldn't the northest accept him? not sure where you have the idea where we wouldn't accept him. and the Brooklyn Nets in the NBA has a gay player on their team, and nothing has been wrong at all. 1. Clowney's lazy streak is the reason, he'll never live up to where he'll be drafted. That kind of lazy streak should have taken him out of the top 10, in my opinion.
2. The northeast may, but most football fans aren't as evolved as NBA fans when it comes to acceptance.
He'll still go a lot higher than 4th, a lot of teams need DL players, and he's one of the better ones in the draft. His only mark here is that he told the world who he was.
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Post by plax on Mar 7, 2014 17:58:50 GMT -5
1 - Clowney over-inflated draft placement? huh? 2 - Sam going 2nd-3rd? that would have been his absolute best-case scenario before he came out. He is going 4th round at the earliest 3 - why wouldn't the northest accept him? not sure where you have the idea where we wouldn't accept him. and the Brooklyn Nets in the NBA has a gay player on their team, and nothing has been wrong at all. 1. Clowney's lazy streak is the reason, he'll never live up to where he'll be drafted. That kind of lazy streak should have taken him out of the top 10, in my opinion.
2. The northeast may, but most football fans aren't as evolved as NBA fans when it comes to acceptance.
He'll still go a lot higher than 4th, a lot of teams need DL players, and he's one of the better ones in the draft. His only mark here is that he told the world who he was. 1 - cannot say i understand everyone going up and arms about Clowney getting "lazy" this past year. he did not even want to play so he could avoid injury. he proved what he could do two years ago, and will only get better. he dogged this year because he did not want to end up like Lattimore. 2 - i don't see much of a difference in NFL fans and NBA fans. if you are regarding to the nature of the fans in the crowd during the games, he just needs to zone them out like everyone else does. we do not know how the players will be in an NFL locker room towards Sam, but it all depends on the environment of the locker room, not as much the area where he is playing. if the players accept him, the fans will too. 3 - he is a situational pass rusher at best. those guys do not go in the top 3 rounds. and this is one of the deepest classes in a while, so he is gonna go 4th round or later.
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Post by Jindred on Mar 7, 2014 19:52:17 GMT -5
1. Clowney's lazy streak is the reason, he'll never live up to where he'll be drafted. That kind of lazy streak should have taken him out of the top 10, in my opinion.
2. The northeast may, but most football fans aren't as evolved as NBA fans when it comes to acceptance.
He'll still go a lot higher than 4th, a lot of teams need DL players, and he's one of the better ones in the draft. His only mark here is that he told the world who he was. 1 - cannot say i understand everyone going up and arms about Clowney getting "lazy" this past year. he did not even want to play so he could avoid injury. he proved what he could do two years ago, and will only get better. he dogged this year because he did not want to end up like Lattimore.2 - i don't see much of a difference in NFL fans and NBA fans. if you are regarding to the nature of the fans in the crowd during the games, he just needs to zone them out like everyone else does. we do not know how the players will be in an NFL locker room towards Sam, but it all depends on the environment of the locker room, not as much the area where he is playing. if the players accept him, the fans will too. 3 - he is a situational pass rusher at best. those guys do not go in the top 3 rounds. and this is one of the deepest classes in a while, so he is gonna go 4th round or later. So what I take from this is that its ok to not try and fuck over your team mates for your own gain? What happens when he gets his first big pay check? Does he stop trying cause he doesn't want to get hurt and ruin the rest of his life? When you play sports, you go all out or you don't play at all especially when you play team sports. Its not do just enough to get what you need and then coast, you still have a team you are playing for a should be giving your all for your team mates sake. It IS a problem because we don't know what his motivation will be in the NFL, as well as it seems he is selfish. ShaggzfateI don't think as of now its Sam's gay issue that is going to drop him from the second round. He had a pretty mediocre combine and that combined (no pun intended) with him being gay and a lot of people having a problem with it will drop him. He can save his stock by putting on a clinic at his pro-day, teams will overlook him being gay if he can play its the way of sports.
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Post by plax on Mar 7, 2014 19:59:29 GMT -5
Jindredyou are comparing getting to the NFL to when he is already there? i bet if Lattimore could have a chance to not get injured, he would. Clowney had the #1 pick locked in, why risk anything? he was smart.
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Post by Morkim on Mar 7, 2014 20:02:45 GMT -5
1 - cannot say i understand everyone going up and arms about Clowney getting "lazy" this past year. he did not even want to play so he could avoid injury. he proved what he could do two years ago, and will only get better. he dogged this year because he did not want to end up like Lattimore.2 - i don't see much of a difference in NFL fans and NBA fans. if you are regarding to the nature of the fans in the crowd during the games, he just needs to zone them out like everyone else does. we do not know how the players will be in an NFL locker room towards Sam, but it all depends on the environment of the locker room, not as much the area where he is playing. if the players accept him, the fans will too. 3 - he is a situational pass rusher at best. those guys do not go in the top 3 rounds. and this is one of the deepest classes in a while, so he is gonna go 4th round or later. So what I take from this is that its ok to not try and fuck over your team mates for your own gain? What happens when he gets his first big pay check? Does he stop trying cause he doesn't want to get hurt and ruin the rest of his life? When you play sports, you go all out or you don't play at all especially when you play team sports. Its not do just enough to get what you need and then coast, you still have a team you are playing for a should be giving your all for your team mates sake. It IS a problem because we don't know what his motivation will be in the NFL, as well as it seems he is selfish. ShaggzfateI don't think as of now its Sam's gay issue that is going to drop him from the second round. He had a pretty mediocre combine and that combined (no pun intended) with him being gay and a lot of people having a problem with it will drop him. He can save his stock by putting on a clinic at his pro-day, teams will overlook him being gay if he can play its the way of sports. He saw what Lattimore went through twice dude. I know it's not great to not go all out for his team, but it's unfair considering his circumstances to assume things of his work ethic based on last year.
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Post by Jindred on Mar 7, 2014 21:12:43 GMT -5
Jindredyou are comparing getting to the NFL to when he is already there? i bet if Lattimore could have a chance to not get injured, he would. Clowney had the #1 pick locked in, why risk anything? he was smart. I really don't understand how him not trying helped him avoid injury? Any play that he was in there there was potential for him to be injured how does him trying or not change that? Any play he could have his leg rolled over or any other freak accidents. Maybe he should have just taken the season off if he wanted to avoid injury. What I see is a player who puts his own needs before the team, and yes I am absolutely comparing him before the NFL to when he is in it. What else do I have to go off of? I have seen him not try because he seemingly already has what he needs, why should I expect him to do any different? How people act in the past is a good way to make an assumption of what they will do in the future. People can change, but most won't.
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