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Post by plax on Jan 28, 2014 14:01:04 GMT -5
Well said Saska...Thank you. Dont mention me switching teams too loudly...might piss some people off. My dad always says, "It's better to get pissed off than pissed on." Speaking of piss, which reminds me of bathrooms, I dropped my phone in the toilet an hour ago while at school. Luckily the contents inside the bowl was clean as I already flushed, but still had to put my hand in there to get my phone. I spent the next 5min standing next to the blow dryer drying my phone and case. It made me sad. Luckily it wasn't flushing when it fell.
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Post by Jindred on Jan 28, 2014 14:03:06 GMT -5
My dad always says, "It's better to get pissed off than pissed on." Speaking of piss, which reminds me of bathrooms, I dropped my phone in the toilet an hour ago while at school. Luckily the contents inside the bowl was clean as I already flushed, but still had to put my hand in there to get my phone. I spent the next 5min standing next to the blow dryer drying my phone and case. It made me sad. Luckily it wasn't flushing when it fell. You did wash your hands after right?
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Post by plax on Jan 28, 2014 14:05:05 GMT -5
Speaking of piss, which reminds me of bathrooms, I dropped my phone in the toilet an hour ago while at school. Luckily the contents inside the bowl was clean as I already flushed, but still had to put my hand in there to get my phone. I spent the next 5min standing next to the blow dryer drying my phone and case. It made me sad. Luckily it wasn't flushing when it fell. You did wash your hands after right? I knew I forgot something.... I simply dried my hands because they were wet...
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Post by Jindred on Jan 28, 2014 14:06:28 GMT -5
You did wash your hands after right? I knew I forgot something.... I simply dried my hands because they were wet... Well as long as you made a sandwich for someone after..
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Post by saskabronco on Jan 28, 2014 14:07:15 GMT -5
My dad always says, "It's better to get pissed off than pissed on." Speaking of piss, which reminds me of bathrooms, I dropped my phone in the toilet an hour ago while at school. Luckily the contents inside the bowl was clean as I already flushed, but still had to put my hand in there to get my phone. I spent the next 5min standing next to the blow dryer drying my phone and case. It made me sad. Luckily it wasn't flushing when it fell. Should I change the title of this thread to "A War on Christmas? (With a twist of racism and ignorance... and a dash of pee)?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 14:08:12 GMT -5
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Post by plax on Jan 28, 2014 14:08:51 GMT -5
I knew I forgot something.... I simply dried my hands because they were wet... Well as long as you made a sandwich for someone after.. I had cheetos and didn't have a napkin. Uhhhh, brb, gotta brush my teeth and rinse with an entire bottle of peroxide.
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Post by danb6177 on Jan 29, 2014 21:05:41 GMT -5
my belief is based upon the deity of Christ. John 1 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. I understand that in the 40's your factions translators changed this to meet the needs of the church doctrine by adding to the verse. There are other reasons why i deny the watchtower as a christian entity but the extraction of Christ deity from scripture to me would be the biggest. Jesus Christ isn't God. The proof is in the pudding, and it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Jesus constantly defers praise to his "Father", and never puts himself above God. Just because we don't identify Christ at supreme, doesn't mean we don't respect his position or believe in him. As for John 1:1, I did some research. At John 1:1 the King James Version reads: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Trinitarians claim that this means that “the Word” (Greek, ho lo′gos) who came to earth as Jesus Christ was Almighty God himself. Note that here again the context lays the groundwork for accurate understanding. Even the King James Version says, “The Word was with God.” (Italics mine.) Someone who is “with” another person cannot be the same as that other person. In agreement with this, the Journal of Biblical Literature, edited by Jesuit Joseph A. Fitzmyer, notes that if the latter part of John 1:1 were interpreted to mean “the” God, this “would then contradict the preceding clause,” which says that the Word was with God. So John 1:1 highlights the quality of the Word, that he was “divine,” “godlike,” “a god,” but not Almighty God. This harmonizes with the rest of the Bible, which shows that Jesus, here called “the Word” in his role as God’s Spokesman, was an obedient subordinate sent to earth by his Superior, Almighty God. Finally got around to reading this today Rey. This is one of those things that can go back and forth. I see you are looking for your answers directly from JW literature as you have copy pasted it verbadem. Do you agree with all the works of Mr Joseph Fitzmyer? Im sure that you do not. You will find that his views are not widely accepted. Jesus calls himself and the father one and phillipians is pretty clear on the the Kenosis of Christ as he took on the form of a man from the form of God. There are many many scriptures pertaining to Christ divine nature. You say to look at scriptures in the context of the text. The text in revelation reads that the 144,000 (12,000 from each 12 tribes of israel) are jewish male virgins. I will ask for your own belief on this as I already know what your preachers say.
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Post by rey713 on Jan 30, 2014 7:47:08 GMT -5
Jesus Christ isn't God. The proof is in the pudding, and it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Jesus constantly defers praise to his "Father", and never puts himself above God. Just because we don't identify Christ at supreme, doesn't mean we don't respect his position or believe in him. As for John 1:1, I did some research. At John 1:1 the King James Version reads: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Trinitarians claim that this means that “the Word” (Greek, ho lo′gos) who came to earth as Jesus Christ was Almighty God himself. Note that here again the context lays the groundwork for accurate understanding. Even the King James Version says, “The Word was with God.” (Italics mine.) Someone who is “with” another person cannot be the same as that other person. In agreement with this, the Journal of Biblical Literature, edited by Jesuit Joseph A. Fitzmyer, notes that if the latter part of John 1:1 were interpreted to mean “the” God, this “would then contradict the preceding clause,” which says that the Word was with God. So John 1:1 highlights the quality of the Word, that he was “divine,” “godlike,” “a god,” but not Almighty God. This harmonizes with the rest of the Bible, which shows that Jesus, here called “the Word” in his role as God’s Spokesman, was an obedient subordinate sent to earth by his Superior, Almighty God. Finally got around to reading this today Rey. This is one of those things that can go back and forth. I see you are looking for your answers directly from JW literature as you have copy pasted it verbadem. Do you agree with all the works of Mr Joseph Fitzmyer? Im sure that you do not. You will find that his views are not widely accepted. Jesus calls himself and the father one and phillipians is pretty clear on the the Kenosis of Christ as he took on the form of a man from the form of God. There are many many scriptures pertaining to Christ divine nature. You say to look at scriptures in the context of the text. The text in revelation reads that the 144,000 (12,000 from each 12 tribes of israel) are jewish male virgins. I will ask for your own belief on this as I already know what your preachers say. Well I'm not going to go off my own opinion on ancient Greek, since obviously I know nothing of it's grammatical structure and such. Jesus sometimes refers to himself and the Father as "one" because he reflects his Father's qualities to perfection. The 144,000 are the anointed. A select few apart that will go to live in Heaven and rule with Christ for 1000 years after Armageddon. The rest of the faithful (and resurrected) will reside on Earth.
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Post by saskabronco on Jan 30, 2014 10:33:39 GMT -5
Finally got around to reading this today Rey. This is one of those things that can go back and forth. I see you are looking for your answers directly from JW literature as you have copy pasted it verbadem. Do you agree with all the works of Mr Joseph Fitzmyer? Im sure that you do not. You will find that his views are not widely accepted. Jesus calls himself and the father one and phillipians is pretty clear on the the Kenosis of Christ as he took on the form of a man from the form of God. There are many many scriptures pertaining to Christ divine nature. You say to look at scriptures in the context of the text. The text in revelation reads that the 144,000 (12,000 from each 12 tribes of israel) are jewish male virgins. I will ask for your own belief on this as I already know what your preachers say. Well I'm not going to go off my own opinion on ancient Greek, since obviously I know nothing of it's grammatical structure and such. Jesus sometimes refers to himself and the Father as "one" because he reflects his Father's qualities to perfection. The 144,000 are the anointed. A select few apart that will go to live in Heaven and rule with Christ for 1000 years after Armageddon. The rest of the faithful (and resurrected) will reside on Earth. This response can be directed at danb6177 as well. Given that neither of you speak the original language of your holy books, aren't you putting as much faith in the people who translated the books as you are in the people who wrote the books initially? Many people use these books as the direct word of God, so you must have faith that the translator was infallible in order to accept that every word he/she (likely he) translated is still to be taken as the precise word of God. So much can get lost in translation from any language to another, so in my mind there is no possible way that the translation could be exact. If I really wanted to follow the words of God, I feel it would be in my best interest to learn the language in which they were originally written so that nothing is lost on me. Do you know who specifically translated your holy books?
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