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Post by saskabronco on Jan 27, 2014 10:53:45 GMT -5
saskabroncoWhat if I just hate Asians in general, not because of a particular experience with a select few? Does that make me ignorant? I think it would just make me racist, by definition. The two are not mutually exclusive. That would make you both racist and ignorant. Racist for hating an entire race and ignorant for hating people for nothing more than something completely beyond their control.
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Post by danb6177 on Jan 27, 2014 16:55:40 GMT -5
saskabroncoI can see some of the problem now. You have a very broad scope of what Christianity is. Have you ever studied the various religions? It may change your perception. First off JW and mormons are not Christians. They do not believe in Christ as their savior and are against Christmas altogether. This explains to me why you say they come and force their beliefs down your throat. those factions do. Christianity believes that God is stronger than we are so when people who are not Christian celebrate Christmas(no matter in which way) it is a good thing. I could not see a person of Christ attacking someone for celebrating Christmas unless they are very unread. Even the Christmas lights on your home testify to Christs greatness (to us). LMAO. Dan, where have you been bro. I appreciate your inclination towards Christianity, but this was too far. How can you say JWs are not Christians? What led you to this belief? Matthew 20:28 - Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his life as a ransom in exchange for many. I do believe Jesus died to give us the CHANCE (not guarantee) at eternal life. And I believe he's the Son of God. Any questions, dan? my belief is based upon the deity of Christ. John 1 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. I understand that in the 40's your factions translators changed this to meet the needs of the church doctrine by adding to the verse. There are other reasons why i deny the watchtower as a christian entity but the extraction of Christ deity from scripture to me would be the biggest.
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Post by rey713 on Jan 27, 2014 21:32:28 GMT -5
LMAO. Dan, where have you been bro. I appreciate your inclination towards Christianity, but this was too far. How can you say JWs are not Christians? What led you to this belief? Matthew 20:28 - Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his life as a ransom in exchange for many. I do believe Jesus died to give us the CHANCE (not guarantee) at eternal life. And I believe he's the Son of God. Any questions, dan? my belief is based upon the deity of Christ. John 1 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. I understand that in the 40's your factions translators changed this to meet the needs of the church doctrine by adding to the verse. There are other reasons why i deny the watchtower as a christian entity but the extraction of Christ deity from scripture to me would be the biggest. Jesus Christ isn't God. The proof is in the pudding, and it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Jesus constantly defers praise to his "Father", and never puts himself above God. Just because we don't identify Christ at supreme, doesn't mean we don't respect his position or believe in him. As for John 1:1, I did some research. At John 1:1 the King James Version reads: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Trinitarians claim that this means that “the Word” (Greek, ho lo′gos) who came to earth as Jesus Christ was Almighty God himself. Note that here again the context lays the groundwork for accurate understanding. Even the King James Version says, “The Word was with God.” (Italics mine.) Someone who is “with” another person cannot be the same as that other person. In agreement with this, the Journal of Biblical Literature, edited by Jesuit Joseph A. Fitzmyer, notes that if the latter part of John 1:1 were interpreted to mean “the” God, this “would then contradict the preceding clause,” which says that the Word was with God. So John 1:1 highlights the quality of the Word, that he was “divine,” “godlike,” “a god,” but not Almighty God. This harmonizes with the rest of the Bible, which shows that Jesus, here called “the Word” in his role as God’s Spokesman, was an obedient subordinate sent to earth by his Superior, Almighty God.
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Post by danb6177 on Jan 27, 2014 23:55:43 GMT -5
speaking of twists of racism. Its now racist for a white guy to win rap categories on the music awards. God bless america
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Post by saskabronco on Jan 28, 2014 8:38:18 GMT -5
speaking of twists of racism. Its now racist for a white guy to win rap categories on the music awards. God bless america I don't really pay attention to the Grammys, but I looked it up after reading your comment and found this article m.spin.com/articles/grammys-macklemore-kendrick-lamar-same-love/. I agree that it's absurd for people to be mad that a white boy won in a hip hop category... But I do get why there is some frustration. Macklemore is very gimmicky and a lot of people don't really respect him in the rap community. He can rap really fast, but even when he makes a song where he is pushing a good message like 'Same Love' he fails to sound intelligent while doing so. If people are mad because a white guy won the awards, then that is just sad. But if people are mad that a talentless guy won, then that's a bit different. That would be like if Tim Tebow had own league MVP. People would have been mad because he didn't deserve it, but I'm sure some groups would spin that into hate towards Christianity or white people or something. There are many idiots out there and they are often the most vocal.
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Post by danb6177 on Jan 28, 2014 9:33:14 GMT -5
speaking of twists of racism. Its now racist for a white guy to win rap categories on the music awards. God bless america I don't really pay attention to the Grammys, but I looked it up after reading your comment and found this article m.spin.com/articles/grammys-macklemore-kendrick-lamar-same-love/. I agree that it's absurd for people to be mad that a white boy won in a hip hop category... But I do get why there is some frustration. Macklemore is very gimmicky and a lot of people don't really respect him in the rap community. He can rap really fast, but even when he makes a song where he is pushing a good message like 'Same Love' he fails to sound intelligent while doing so. If people are mad because a white guy won the awards, then that is just sad. But if people are mad that a talentless guy won, then that's a bit different. That would be like if Tim Tebow had own league MVP. People would have been mad because he didn't deserve it, but I'm sure some groups would spin that into hate towards Christianity or white people or something. There are many idiots out there and they are often the most vocal. i dont follow rap or even know who this dude is really. was just watching a news show about it and saw all this crap, and a bunch of black folk agreeing that he only won because he was white and how the awards have always been racist against blacks. One of the guys did concede to the point that he felt one of the songs should have won an award but the rest of his awards are due to racism. It just seems strange to me the way things are(not just in the music awards) I mean what is equality really?
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Post by rey713 on Jan 28, 2014 9:49:13 GMT -5
speaking of twists of racism. Its now racist for a white guy to win rap categories on the music awards. God bless america There were more deserving songs/albums, from what I hear. All these "Award Shows" are completely biased anyway. That's why movies like "Argo" win Best Film.
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Post by saskabronco on Jan 28, 2014 10:03:35 GMT -5
I don't really pay attention to the Grammys, but I looked it up after reading your comment and found this article m.spin.com/articles/grammys-macklemore-kendrick-lamar-same-love/. I agree that it's absurd for people to be mad that a white boy won in a hip hop category... But I do get why there is some frustration. Macklemore is very gimmicky and a lot of people don't really respect him in the rap community. He can rap really fast, but even when he makes a song where he is pushing a good message like 'Same Love' he fails to sound intelligent while doing so. If people are mad because a white guy won the awards, then that is just sad. But if people are mad that a talentless guy won, then that's a bit different. That would be like if Tim Tebow had own league MVP. People would have been mad because he didn't deserve it, but I'm sure some groups would spin that into hate towards Christianity or white people or something. There are many idiots out there and they are often the most vocal. i dont follow rap or even know who this dude is really. was just watching a news show about it and saw all this crap, and a bunch of black folk agreeing that he only won because he was white and how the awards have always been racist against blacks. One of the guys did concede to the point that he felt one of the songs should have won an award but the rest of his awards are due to racism. It just seems strange to me the way things are(not just in the music awards) I mean what is equality really? I think it is pretty common for an area dominated by a certain race for so long to be reluctant to accept another race getting involved. We've seen that happen with white people in so many different areas. And given the history for black people in America and the crap they have had to deal with, I think they hold a lot of pride with certain areas that are historically theirs. So to see a white guy come in and sweep the awards that traditionally belong to the black community probably upset a lot of people. To answer your question of 'What is equality really?' In my opinion, it would be not having to acknowledge the color of a person's skin. Instead of being a black actor or a black singer or a black president, they are actors, singers and presidents. Same goes for any other race. I am not saying this just about black people, that is just my example here. I understand why those qualifiers are there... because of the history of oppression with various races throughout the world has caused major divisions between races and obstacles to be overcome by some. So with the black community in America, for example, it is a source of pride to know that there is a black president... because that is living proof that they can overcome those divisions and obstacles and can achieve the most prestigious of positions. So I am not by any means condemning the use of the race qualifier when discussing these things, but I do believe that true equality could not be achieved as long as we feel the need to distinguish a difference between a white singer and a black singer.
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Post by danb6177 on Jan 28, 2014 10:15:06 GMT -5
speaking of twists of racism. Its now racist for a white guy to win rap categories on the music awards. God bless america There were more deserving songs/albums, from what I hear. All these "Award Shows" are completely biased anyway. That's why movies like "Argo" win Best Film. bias or racist? btw i will get back to your reply from before a little later on
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Post by danb6177 on Jan 28, 2014 10:20:07 GMT -5
i dont follow rap or even know who this dude is really. was just watching a news show about it and saw all this crap, and a bunch of black folk agreeing that he only won because he was white and how the awards have always been racist against blacks. One of the guys did concede to the point that he felt one of the songs should have won an award but the rest of his awards are due to racism. It just seems strange to me the way things are(not just in the music awards) I mean what is equality really? I think it is pretty common for an area dominated by a certain race for so long to be reluctant to accept another race getting involved. We've seen that happen with white people in so many different areas. And given the history for black people in America and the crap they have had to deal with, I think they hold a lot of pride with certain areas that are historically theirs. So to see a white guy come in and sweep the awards that traditionally belong to the black community probably upset a lot of people. To answer your question of 'What is equality really?' In my opinion, it would be not having to acknowledge the color of a person's skin. Instead of being a black actor or a black singer or a black president, they are actors, singers and presidents. Same goes for any other race. I am not saying this just about black people, that is just my example here. I understand why those qualifiers are there... because of the history of oppression with various races throughout the world has caused major divisions between races and obstacles to be overcome by some. So with the black community in America, for example, it is a source of pride to know that there is a black president... because that is living proof that they can overcome those divisions and obstacles and can achieve the most prestigious of positions. So I am not by any means condemning the use of the race qualifier when discussing these things, but I do believe that true equality could not be achieved as long as we feel the need to distinguish a difference between a white singer and a black singer. I understand being upset but that not really a good excuse to stamp something racist. To me equality as far as race gos means to not acknowledge race period. A plateau my country will never reach. Its sad however that when discussing racism its usually a one way street. People become blind very quickly.
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