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Post by cityofchamps on Dec 1, 2013 18:13:37 GMT -5
Sal Alosi was a conditioning coach. Mike Tomlin is a head coach. Steelers deserve to lose a draft pick, and Tomlin deserves a 6 figure fine. LAFF
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Post by steeldevil on Dec 2, 2013 9:02:56 GMT -5
The jets did not lose a pick when they had a coach line up a wall of guys near the sideline with the goal of wiping out the other teams gunner on punts...
This is far less of an issue than that.
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Post by Divebitch on Dec 2, 2013 9:04:56 GMT -5
It was pretty blatant.. Watch the way he looks over his shoulder. He could have moved EASILY in time. I agree with him losing his team a pick, it was a classless act and should be penalized so. Should the steelers lose a 1st 2nd or 3rd round pick? No definitely not, but a 4th or 5th IMO is justified. Cry all you want as fans of the steelers but your coach acted like a shit head!
I am a Tomlin fan normally so this bothers me a lot that he would do this. Here's my take...Tomlin didn't help his case by grinning like an idiot for quite awhile after the play. His expression was proud, shameless, unapologetic. One could misinterpret what was really "oops, my bad", but benefit of the doubt goes to the runner. No part of his body should've been touching or over any part of the line after the snap. Cuz a runner could keep his feet in bounds while his arm is over it, perfectly legal, right? IDK what the punishment should be, clearly not an early pick. But it should be something. IMO, they have to set a precedent that it does not come down to a judgement call, like whether or not the runner was impeded in any significant way, or whether or not he really had any chance to score (like supposedly in this case, he did not). Ya know what would be a cool penalty? If any part of coach's or other personnel's body is over the line while a runner or even a possible open receiver is within 10 yds, automatic TD. You'd never see anything like that happen again. The runner or receiver would never break stride either. haha The jets did not lose a pick when they had a coach line up a wall of guys near the sideline with the goal of wiping out the other teams gunner on punts... This is far less of an issue than that. Ya know what they should do? Paint a 2nd line, maybe a different color, a couple feet outside the other one, that they need to be behind. After all, you can catch a ball out of bounds with your feet in bounds.
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Dec 2, 2013 11:30:01 GMT -5
He won't get fine. Typical Goodell, he wants to send a message to the NFL using the Steelers as his scapegoat.
And if does fine him then I'll lose all respect for this league. There's no possible way to say out right that his intensions at the beginning of the game that he was going to interfere with a returner or pass on his side of the field where he was positioned at. He didn't make contact with Jones, he really didn't have any major interference with the play, nor changed the outcome of the play.
Fine him and the team and be done with it, instead of trying to make a story bigger than what it is.
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Dec 2, 2013 11:33:48 GMT -5
Sal Alosi was a conditioning coach. Mike Tomlin is a head coach. Steelers deserve to lose a draft pick, and Tomlin deserves a 6 figure fine. Who gives a shit? Alosi could have seriously injured that player and is still part of the team. Tomlin barely had any interference with the play, it's not like Jones was trapped into running on the sideline.
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Dec 2, 2013 11:35:40 GMT -5
There is also the fact that what Tomlin may or may not have done didn't impact the play. Jones barely reacted and Allen would have tackled him anyway. Come on. Jones had to shift himself, and slow down. IDK whether he would have been caught or not, but it clearly affected him. Why would Jones have to slow down for going in field more by a foot or so? If he slowed down for making a simple adjustment then he's not the athlete he's made to be. That's ridicules, I could understand if he visibly hesitated but it sure didn't look like he did.
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Dec 2, 2013 11:42:29 GMT -5
It was pretty blatant.. Watch the way he looks over his shoulder. He could have moved EASILY in time. I agree with him losing his team a pick, it was a classless act and should be penalized so. Should the steelers lose a 1st 2nd or 3rd round pick? No definitely not, but a 4th or 5th IMO is justified. Cry all you want as fans of the steelers but your coach acted like a shit head!
I am a Tomlin fan normally so this bothers me a lot that he would do this. Here's my take...Tomlin didn't help his case by grinning like an idiot for quite awhile after the play. His expression was proud, shameless, unapologetic. One could misinterpret what was really "oops, my bad", but benefit of the doubt goes to the runner. No part of his body should've been touching or over any part of the line after the snap. Cuz a runner could keep his feet in bounds while his arm is over it, perfectly legal, right? IDK what the punishment should be, clearly not an early pick. But it should be something. IMO, they have to set a precedent that it does not come down to a judgement call, like whether or not the runner was impeded in any significant way, or whether or not he really had any chance to score (like supposedly in this case, he did not). Ya know what would be a cool penalty? If any part of coach's or other personnel's body is over the line while a runner or even a possible open receiver is within 10 yds, automatic TD. You'd never see anything like that happen again. The runner or receiver would never break stride either. haha The jets did not lose a pick when they had a coach line up a wall of guys near the sideline with the goal of wiping out the other teams gunner on punts... This is far less of an issue than that. Ya know what they should do? Paint a 2nd line, maybe a different color, a couple feet outside the other one, that they need to be behind. After all, you can catch a ball out of bounds with your feet in bounds. Tomlin has smiled in press conferences after admitting to making mistakes in game. That's just part of his persona. I don't think him smiling should indicate anything. And players and coaches are not suppose to be on the white line anyways, but yet you see them on the line on almost any play of any game. Which is why this is so ridicules. Tomlin was in front of the ref but yet he never threw a flag. It's a penalty to be on the white line, but yet refs never call it. That's why it's some what believable that Tomlin mistakenly went that far into the white line, it's a non-reinforced rule. Simply put fine Tomlin and the team, and send message to the rest of the teams that they will start penalizing teams for being on the white line.
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Post by Divebitch on Dec 2, 2013 12:59:43 GMT -5
Here's my take...Tomlin didn't help his case by grinning like an idiot for quite awhile after the play. His expression was proud, shameless, unapologetic. One could misinterpret what was really "oops, my bad", but benefit of the doubt goes to the runner. IMO, they have to set a precedent that it does not come down to a judgement call, like whether or not the runner was impeded in any significant way, or whether or not he really had any chance to score (like supposedly in this case, he did not). Tomlin has smiled in press conferences after admitting to making mistakes in game. That's just part of his persona. I don't think him smiling should indicate anything.And players and coaches are not suppose to be on the white line anyways, but yet you see them on the line on almost any play of any game. Which is why this is so ridicules. Tomlin was in front of the ref but yet he never threw a flag. It's a penalty to be on the white line, but yet refs never call it. That's why it's some what believable that Tomlin mistakenly went that far into the white line, it's a non-reinforced rule. Well, thus my comment about misinterpretation. No, it shouldn't indicate anything absolutely. But in real life, extending to the judicial system, there is the human element. And undeniably, often people are given harsher or lighter sentences depending on how the judge or jury perceives the defendent's attitude. As far as the typical 'no-call', two wrongs don't make a right. That's also why I say it shouldn't come down to a judgement call as to what the runner/WR could or could not have done. Also why I suggested implementing hard and fast rules, like the '10 yd rule', which was just an example. A coach should not expect to be able to stand there just because 'it's never called', then cry foul when it is. Not saying that's what he did. Was it a Jets coach that tripped a runner? Automatic TD IMO, just for starters. There's a reason it's rarely called, that's cuz it rarely interferes with a play. But if the rule is flawed as such, they need to tweak it. Again, I don't feel Tomlin should be 'made an example of', but there should be some kinda punishment, and the rule made more specific perhaps.
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Post by Morkim on Dec 2, 2013 13:10:42 GMT -5
Divebitch He's not crying foul when it was called, it wasn't called. They're crying foul about the potential loss of a draft pick, which is ridiculously harsh.
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Dec 2, 2013 13:12:35 GMT -5
Tomlin has smiled in press conferences after admitting to making mistakes in game. That's just part of his persona. I don't think him smiling should indicate anything.And players and coaches are not suppose to be on the white line anyways, but yet you see them on the line on almost any play of any game. Which is why this is so ridicules. Tomlin was in front of the ref but yet he never threw a flag. It's a penalty to be on the white line, but yet refs never call it. That's why it's some what believable that Tomlin mistakenly went that far into the white line, it's a non-reinforced rule. Well, thus my comment about misinterpretation. No, it shouldn't indicate anything absolutely. But in real life, extending to the judicial system, there is the human element. And undeniably, often people are given harsher or lighter sentences depending on how the judge or jury perceives the defendent's attitude. As far as the typical 'no-call', two wrongs don't make a right. That's also why I say it shouldn't come down to a judgement call as to what the runner/WR could or could not have done. Also why I suggested implementing hard and fast rules, like the '10 yd rule', which was just an example. A coach should not expect to be able to stand there just because 'it's never called', then cry foul when it is. Not saying that's what he did. Was it a Jets coach that tripped a runner? Automatic TD IMO, just for starters. There's a reason it's rarely called, that's cuz it rarely interferes with a play. But if the rule is flawed as such, they need to tweak it. Again, I don't feel Tomlin should be 'made an example of', but there should be some kinda punishment, and the rule made more specific perhaps. Like I said above, fine Tomlin and tell the rest of the league that personnel in the white line during the play will result in on field penalties. That fixes everything.
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