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Post by cityofchamps on Jul 28, 2015 22:47:05 GMT -5
patriotsk1dprofootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/28/beady-makes-bad-situation-worse-by-admitting-to-destroying-phone/Article from the very same writer you took your quote from. One particular snippet you should enjoy. "What benefit does Brady derive from disclosing that in the appeal? Even if it’s his habit to get rid of the phone and the data card within it whenever getting a new phone, that habit must yield to an ongoing investigation in which the contents of the phone and the data card have been deemed to be relevant. And so it’s reasonable to assume that Brady was trying to hide something." Is that guy still a reputable source?
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Post by patriotsk1d on Jul 28, 2015 22:57:33 GMT -5
patriotsk1dprofootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/28/beady-makes-bad-situation-worse-by-admitting-to-destroying-phone/Article from the very same writer you took your quote from. One particular snippet you should enjoy. "What benefit does Brady derive from disclosing that in the appeal? Even if it’s his habit to get rid of the phone and the data card within it whenever getting a new phone, that habit must yield to an ongoing investigation in which the contents of the phone and the data card have been deemed to be relevant. And so it’s reasonable to assume that Brady was trying to hide something." Is that guy still a reputable source? No idea if he ever was a reputable source, however I am 100 percent sure he is just as reputable as Stephen A Smith, and 100 percent sure ESPN would have gladly used him had he fit their agenda.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Jul 28, 2015 22:58:19 GMT -5
But according to you a player should be suspended if we suspect they are doing anything that violates the rules. Of course that standard has never applied to Steelers players.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Jul 28, 2015 23:03:14 GMT -5
cityofchampsYou want Brady and the Pats to fail so bad its hilarious. A few questions for you: 1: Why is what Roger is doing in this situation ok? 2: Is Stephen A Smith a credible report? 3: Is sexual assualt/DUI(no this is not about the Steelers...) a bigger integrity issue than more probably than not knowing about an equipment issue. 4: How do you define the destruction of a cell phone? 5: Would you rather Brady play week one, rather than risk the potential of losing to Jimmy Garappolo vs losing to Brady which is much more justifiable. 1. I never said it was okay. But that has nothing to do with what Brady is doing to himself. 2. It isn't just Stephen A. Smith. This was the NFL's finding, and Tom Brady ADMITTING TO DESTROYING THE PHONE HIMSELF. That is the simple fact regardless of who it first came from. Stephen A Smith's report was ONLY about the NFL upholding the 4 game suspension over the destroyed cell phone. It isn't like he claimed Brady destroyed the phone, then the NFL used that as evidence to uphold the suspension. The NFL found the information first and spelled it out in an official letter. If you believe otherwise, then you are TRULY delusional. 3. Yes, that is about the Steelers and you know it. Shut up. The integrity issue with Brady (again) is not about the footballs anymore. It is about his role in the investigation with failing to cooperate/intentionally obstructing an investigation. You want me to say dui/sexual assault is worse? Sure it is worse. But that isn't the effing issue here. Stop trying to deflect this issue onto something else. Dui/sexual assault may be worse as far as being a human being goes, but as far as integrity for this particular situation goes? Brady undermining the authority of the NFL and deliberately withholding information and obstructing an investigation into the integrity of his actions is worse from a work-related standpoint. This makes the NFL look worse than sexual assault/dui because sexual assault and dui's aren't work-related issues. Those are civil issues. That is why they are making this a big deal, regardless of whether you agree with it or not. The NFL isn't responsible for it's employee's actions in their personal lives. 4. Destroying a phone is doing anything that makes the phone/its contents unusable or non-accessible permanently. 5. Honestly, I don't care. If we lose to Jimmy Garroppolo, so be it, but I HIGHLY doubt that will be the case. The Steelers will be better prepared than the Patriots regardless. 1. But I havent heard one complaint about Goodell and you know for a fact that wouldnt be the case if it was involving Pittsburgh or even another team that you do not hate. 2. He was the one who broke the report about the "destruction of the phone". 3. No evidence Brady withheld any information now is there? You just assume that he is hiding something. Tom Brady is an employee of the NFL PA not the NFL, big difference. 4. But erasing a phone instead of actually physically destroying one sounds significantly different does it not? A headline stating: Brady erased text messages is a lot less attention grabbing than: Brady destroyed his phone. 5. Yes I am sure Pittsburgh will be better prepare than New England, that usually is how it is considering their 3-7 record against Belichick's Patriots.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Jul 28, 2015 23:05:14 GMT -5
I know this doesnt fit your agenda... profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/28/brady-offered-to-help-nfl-gather-missing-text-messages/"Although the text messages couldn’t be retrieved directly from Brady’s phone, his agents provided all of the phone numbers with which Brady exchanged text messages. His agents also said that the league could attempt to get the actual text messages from the phones of the people with whom Brady communicated, but the league refused to attempt to try, claiming that it would be too hard to track down the various people and to persuade them to cooperate." Tom Brady did that knowing it would take the NFL that much longer to come up with a decision. They provided the spreadsheet AFTER the hearing and not during the investigation. Taken DIRECTLY from the article you yourself provided. Specifically, it can be found at footnote 11 on page 12: “ After the hearing and after the submission of post-hearing briefs, Mr. Brady’s certified agents offered to provide a spreadsheet that would identify all of the individuals with whom Mr. Brady had exchanged text messages during [the relevant time] period; the agents suggested that the League could contact those individuals and request production of any relevant text messages that they retained. Aside from the fact that, under Article 46, Section 2(f) of the CBA, such information could and should have been provided long before the hearing, the approach suggested in the agents’ letter — which would require tracking down numerous individuals and seeking consent from each to retrieve from their cellphones detailed information about their text message communications during the relevant period — is simply not practical.” If Tom Brady was willing to do that, why didn't he do it during the investigation? Everything you said was an assumption. How can you say anyone that with 100 percent certainty. Besides I have said all along that the phone issue was not actually an issue because of how easy it would actually be to get text messages of interest from the people Brady actually texted. Besides the only alleged text messages they were interested in was between Brady and the two attendants and the NFL already had access to those guys phones.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Jul 28, 2015 23:07:25 GMT -5
You are ignoring the fact that the NFL didnt even have the right under the CBA to ask to see his phone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 23:07:31 GMT -5
They didn't find the gun. So Hernandez didn't do it. Since the gun wasn't found, I'm sure there was no shooting.
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Post by cityofchamps on Jul 28, 2015 23:29:33 GMT -5
1. I never said it was okay. But that has nothing to do with what Brady is doing to himself. 2. It isn't just Stephen A. Smith. This was the NFL's finding, and Tom Brady ADMITTING TO DESTROYING THE PHONE HIMSELF. That is the simple fact regardless of who it first came from. Stephen A Smith's report was ONLY about the NFL upholding the 4 game suspension over the destroyed cell phone. It isn't like he claimed Brady destroyed the phone, then the NFL used that as evidence to uphold the suspension. The NFL found the information first and spelled it out in an official letter. If you believe otherwise, then you are TRULY delusional. 3. Yes, that is about the Steelers and you know it. Shut up. The integrity issue with Brady (again) is not about the footballs anymore. It is about his role in the investigation with failing to cooperate/intentionally obstructing an investigation. You want me to say dui/sexual assault is worse? Sure it is worse. But that isn't the effing issue here. Stop trying to deflect this issue onto something else. Dui/sexual assault may be worse as far as being a human being goes, but as far as integrity for this particular situation goes? Brady undermining the authority of the NFL and deliberately withholding information and obstructing an investigation into the integrity of his actions is worse from a work-related standpoint. This makes the NFL look worse than sexual assault/dui because sexual assault and dui's aren't work-related issues. Those are civil issues. That is why they are making this a big deal, regardless of whether you agree with it or not. The NFL isn't responsible for it's employee's actions in their personal lives. 4. Destroying a phone is doing anything that makes the phone/its contents unusable or non-accessible permanently. 5. Honestly, I don't care. If we lose to Jimmy Garroppolo, so be it, but I HIGHLY doubt that will be the case. The Steelers will be better prepared than the Patriots regardless. 1. But I havent heard one complaint about Goodell and you know for a fact that wouldnt be the case if it was involving Pittsburgh or even another team that you do not hate. 2. He was the one who broke the report about the "destruction of the phone". 3. No evidence Brady withheld any information now is there? You just assume that he is hiding something. Tom Brady is an employee of the NFL PA not the NFL, big difference. 4. But erasing a phone instead of actually physically destroying one sounds significantly different does it not? A headline stating: Brady erased text messages is a lot less attention grabbing than: Brady destroyed his phone. 5. Yes I am sure Pittsburgh will be better prepare than New England, that usually is how it is considering their 3-7 record against Belichick's Patriots. 1. I could say the same about you. You only complain about Goodell when Brady is involved. Look in the mirror before you call the kettle black. 2. The NFL leaked it to ESPN first. So what if it fit an agenda or if it didn't. That doesn't dispute the fact that the NFL sent out a letter saying that Brady admitted to destroying his cell phone. 3. The fact that he destroyed his cell phone in the middle of an investigation is enough reason to suspect that Brady was trying to hide something. He didn't give the information of the contacts from his phone during that information UNTIL the appeal was over. That is by definition withholding information. 4. Tom Brady did in fact destroy his cell phone. He admitted to it. He didn't admit to erasing it's memory. He admitted to destroying it. The NFL isn't misrepresenting that information. If he erased its contents, they would still be able to retrieve it (I don't know if you know this, but you can still recover erased messages). Erasing a phone and destroying a 5. That record is with Brady under center. Not Jimmy Garroppolo. If Jimmy starts, the Steelers will be better prepared. If he doesn't, even still they will be better prepared since Brady has made this his priority rather than training camp.
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Post by 101mitch on Jul 28, 2015 23:45:04 GMT -5
Why is this "destroying the phone" crap an issue?? If the NFL thought the phone was the smoking gun, they can take it to court, and subpoena the information.
It's not like after you destroy a phone all of the contents disappear.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Jul 28, 2015 23:46:46 GMT -5
1. But I havent heard one complaint about Goodell and you know for a fact that wouldnt be the case if it was involving Pittsburgh or even another team that you do not hate. 2. He was the one who broke the report about the "destruction of the phone". 3. No evidence Brady withheld any information now is there? You just assume that he is hiding something. Tom Brady is an employee of the NFL PA not the NFL, big difference. 4. But erasing a phone instead of actually physically destroying one sounds significantly different does it not? A headline stating: Brady erased text messages is a lot less attention grabbing than: Brady destroyed his phone. 5. Yes I am sure Pittsburgh will be better prepare than New England, that usually is how it is considering their 3-7 record against Belichick's Patriots. 1. I could say the same about you. You only complain about Goodell when Brady is involved. Look in the mirror before you call the kettle black. 2. The NFL leaked it to ESPN first. So what if it fit an agenda or if it didn't. That doesn't dispute the fact that the NFL sent out a letter saying that Brady admitted to destroying his cell phone. 3. The fact that he destroyed his cell phone in the middle of an investigation is enough reason to suspect that Brady was trying to hide something. He didn't give the information of the contacts from his phone during that information UNTIL the appeal was over. That is by definition withholding information. 4. Tom Brady did in fact destroy his cell phone. He admitted to it. He didn't admit to erasing it's memory. He admitted to destroying it. The NFL isn't misrepresenting that information. If he erased its contents, they would still be able to retrieve it (I don't know if you know this, but you can still recover erased messages). Erasing a phone and destroying a 5. That record is with Brady under center. Not Jimmy Garroppolo. If Jimmy starts, the Steelers will be better prepared. If he doesn't, even still they will be better prepared since Brady has made this his priority rather than training camp. 1. Where did I complain about Goodell? 2. Do you consider this form of releasing information morally acceptable? 3. So you have proof as you initially stated that he is hiding something? 4. Right but destroying it could be as simple as erasing the memory as you said earlier. Dont know if you are aware but recovering text messages is also possible with or without the phone. 5. Not true. Both Matt Cassell and Drew Bledsoe saw time under center in those games, although Tom Brady has basically had more success against Pittsburgh than any other team. Teams rarely use the entire offseason to prepare for the opener. It wouldnt make any sense to do that since a lot of things change between now and the opener. Tell me has Brady even said a word about this investigation? No he hasnt because he is deferring this entire thing to his legal representatives. 6. So in your eyes if Pittsburgh loses to the Pats it will be an even worse loss since the Pats and Brady are spending so much time on this investigation that they will not be ready? I mean did you not watch the superbowl or something? This was a far bigger potential distraction then than it is now.
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