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Post by Jancey on Oct 22, 2014 1:22:46 GMT -5
I think USA has gone over and above to help the world. And no one appreciates it. They just want more. America has gone over and above to be the world police..We don't have anyone's interests in mind but our own, Craig..
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Post by saskabronco on Oct 22, 2014 1:23:31 GMT -5
My oldest daughter went to college in England. yes they have good education also. But come on guys this is not even making sense. We have a great education system. And being able to take a class in religion is a must. Even my atheist daughters took classes in that. And they loved it. It helped them learn about the world. If you don't think religions exist or have never existed you are crazy. If you don't want to learn why or what they believe you are an ostrich with your head in the sand. My kids all three of them, and my step son all have degrees and are prospering very well. I can not agree that our education system is bad. Yes there is a lot of students that will never get it. But that is the student, not the system. My kids student loans are very manageable. My oldest paid hers off in one year with her half a million dollar salary a year at her job. And bought a million dollar house the next year. Life is good. I just said that I fully agree with learning about religion... Just not teaching in in place of science. I have spent a lot of time learning about religions and I don't believe in a single one. I have taken university courses on religion as well. I am very glad to hear that things worked out for your children, but too often you use your personal experience to justify an argument when your experience is not representative of the whole. Lately, it is very hard to find jobs, even with a degree. People with degrees are working low-paying jobs just to be able to try and pay off the interest on their student loans. The government is making billions of dollars off of that interest. It is absurd that people are ok with charging insane interest rates to underemployed former students, but then freak out if a multi million dollar corporation has to pay more than 5-10% in taxes.
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Post by Jancey on Oct 22, 2014 1:25:15 GMT -5
Now, when I say religion shouldn't be taught in schools.. I mean like they shouldn't be preaching the Bible as truth or any other religion...
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Post by MarchingOn on Oct 22, 2014 1:25:57 GMT -5
Cambridge University over in England is one of the best colleges in the world. But I do agree that overall, USA probably has the largest and best selection. But Saska, the USA is hardly the only country that has the problem of teaching religion in educational settings. So I don't understand why you're just calling out the United States. (although I do agree 100% that religion should not be taught in schools) This is a discussion about if America is the greatest country, so I am directing my attacks at America. Most other advanced, first world countries are not bickering about creationism being taught in place of science. Some are, but the evangelical right wing in America is one thing that is holding back a large portion of the population from being properly educated, and that is one area that I am very confident in saying America is not the greatest at. Saying America is he the greatest country in the world is a silly thing anyways, because greatness can be measured in so many different ways. I fully agree that in certain areas, America is the greatest, but the is no one country that can be actually said to be THE greatest country. That's just people beating their chests and being overly patriotic and should not be taken as a serious claim. True points. I don't necessarily disagree with anything in your post.
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Post by Jancey on Oct 22, 2014 1:30:58 GMT -5
Everyone just always refers to America as the best country in the world like it's a given fact and it bugs me. Everyone hates us. Well not everyone, but we are one of the most hated countries in the world, if not the most hated. And they have good reasons to hate us.
America is certainly one of the greatest countries in the world to live in in many aspects...but what is going on up top and so many things that our country does and that we as a people do...I don't understand what makes us so much better than everyone else.
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Post by MarchingOn on Oct 22, 2014 1:31:29 GMT -5
I think USA has gone over and above to help the world. And no one appreciates it. They just want more. America has gone over and above to be the world police..We don't have anyone's interests in mind but our own, Craig.. America is "world police" because we're stuck with that role. And yes, somebody has to do it. After WW2, America was the only world power left, and tons of countries needed help getting back on their feet. They came to us for help. We've been in the world police role ever since then. We didn't even volunteer to become world police. It just so happened that way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 1:33:48 GMT -5
No schools are teaching "creationism over science" (I appreciate you saying creationism instead of fairy tale btw)...you do know people that believe in creationism also believe in science right? The only schools still teaching creationism are private schools, as far as I know. Ftr - I don't believe religion should be taught in schools...that's for church and your home. I whole-heartedly believe what I believe, but that doesn't mean public schools should be teaching it, but they don't. I really dislike the public school system, though. But that's kind of a different topic. I totally disagree. Churches should preach and schools should teach. How would you know anything about Hindus or Buddists without education? What is wrong with learning what other cultures believe? If you don't learn it then you are ignorant of it and it does exist. And it is fascinating. Doesn't mean you have to believe that that is the way, just means you are educated in what exists. I would love to take a class in world religions. It's totally amazing. Doesn't mean you don't believe in microscopes if you take the class.
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Post by Jancey on Oct 22, 2014 1:34:06 GMT -5
America has gone over and above to be the world police..We don't have anyone's interests in mind but our own, Craig.. America is "world police" because we're stuck with that role. And yes, somebody has to do it. After WW2, America was the only world power left, and tons of countries needed help getting back on their feet. They came to us for help. We've been in the world police role ever since then. We didn't even volunteer to become world police. It just so happened that way. We're not stuck in that role, and no, no one has to do it. It's about control. America always has their nose stuffed into things they have no business having their noses in. We need to mind our own business and stay out of everyone else's crap.
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Post by Jancey on Oct 22, 2014 1:35:26 GMT -5
No schools are teaching "creationism over science" (I appreciate you saying creationism instead of fairy tale btw)...you do know people that believe in creationism also believe in science right? The only schools still teaching creationism are private schools, as far as I know. Ftr - I don't believe religion should be taught in schools...that's for church and your home. I whole-heartedly believe what I believe, but that doesn't mean public schools should be teaching it, but they don't. I really dislike the public school system, though. But that's kind of a different topic. I totally disagree. Churches should preach and schools should teach. How would you know anything about Hindus or Buddists without education? What is wrong with learning what other cultures believe? If you don't learn it then you are ignorant of it and it does exist. And it is fascinating. Doesn't mean you have to believe that that is the way, just means you are educated in what exists. I would love to take a class in world religions. It's totally amazing. Doesn't mean you don't believe in microscopes if you take the class. As I clarified in a later post, what I meant by that was no religion should be taught as truth in schools...I'm all for religion being taught in schools. Sorry for my lack of clarity.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 1:39:23 GMT -5
I agree that it is time for us to stop policing the world. It's a dead end street with the middle east. AND THAT ALL HAS TO DO WITH RELIGION if you like it or not. I don't like it but it is the way it is.
We should stop giving foreign aid also. Screw them, they don't even like us. How much aid do we give Canada? My kids would not have to pay those student loans if we didn't give any. And who pays for all that. ME.
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