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Post by lostabroad2 on Dec 23, 2013 1:14:58 GMT -5
Happy holidays to most of you.
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Post by NickWorthem on Dec 28, 2013 23:49:54 GMT -5
There is no war on Christmas and I think it's an irrational talking point by the religious folk to explain the declining membership of the Christian church.
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Post by danb6177 on Dec 29, 2013 10:41:29 GMT -5
saskabroncoI dont think you are ignorant but your view of certain things line up with the worlds view and not that of someone who is learned in religious theory. A brief overview of those said churches would imply one thing-a deeper study another. Also there is no such thing as a former Christian. You perhaps hung around Christians in a Christian atmosphere and therefore make a judgement but you were certainly not a Christian if you dont even believe Jesus existed. So freedom of religion to you means a person can have religion as long as they keep it within the confines of a church. How ridiculous. A true Christian lives his/her life for Christ everyday not just sunday. You cannot tell a person who is religious to not be religious when they go outside because atheist dont like it. This is not North korea. To tell a religious person to only live for Christ inside his or her church is an infringement upon their rights. I was actually sat down at my job 10 years ago to address my manner of answering peoples questions with biblical truths. They didnt want me to answer their questions with biblical statements. They wanted me to be like them because we were not in church. lol wasnt a long conversation as you could guess It would be no worse than teaching evolution as if it were truth.
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Post by saskabronco on Dec 29, 2013 23:54:29 GMT -5
I dont think you are ignorant but your view of certain things line up with the worlds view and not that of someone who is learned in religious theory. A brief overview of those said churches would imply one thing-a deeper study another. Also there is no such thing as a former Christian. You perhaps hung around Christians in a Christian atmosphere and therefore make a judgement but you were certainly not a Christian if you dont even believe Jesus existed. So freedom of religion to you means a person can have religion as long as they keep it within the confines of a church. How ridiculous. A true Christian lives his/her life for Christ everyday not just sunday. You cannot tell a person who is religious to not be religious when they go outside because atheist dont like it. This is not North korea. To tell a religious person to only live for Christ inside his or her church is an infringement upon their rights. I was actually sat down at my job 10 years ago to address my manner of answering peoples questions with biblical truths. They didnt want me to answer their questions with biblical statements. They wanted me to be like them because we were not in church. lol wasnt a long conversation as you could guess It would be no worse than teaching evolution as if it were truth. Dan, your ignorance is getting worse and it's really frustrating to deal with it. First of all I grew up going to a Catholic school and church. I believed Jesus was the son of God. I was a Christian. Just because you are still a Christian doesn't mean you reserve the right to decide who else is/was a Christian. I don't really care whether you think I was a Christian or not, because I know my life and my past and what I believed. After reading a lot and discussing a lot, I stopped believing because it all sounds ridiculous to me. What do you know about other religions or atheism? Being learned in Christian theory is NOT the same as being learned in religious theory and your views line up with other ignorant Christians who refuse to even consider the possibility that they could be wrong or someone else could be right. You are correct in that I am not ignorant. I am not saying you are wrong and I do read up on different types of beliefs because there is a lot of interesting and useful information out there. You, on the other hand, are ignorant because you reject and demean what you do not even attempt to understand. Don't twist my words on me. I never said only practice your faith in a church. Act the way Christ dictates you to act. Just don't force others to pray who don't agree. Don't force your religion others. In art class, draw a picture of Jesus if you want. In music class, write a song for Jesus. But morning prayer has no place in a public school. Pray at home before school or say a silent prayer to yourself, but don't force non-religious kids to pray or sit through your prayer. Freedom of religion is just that. I feel like you are confusing that with freedom of Christianity. There is a big difference because Christianity is just one of many religions, not the only one. You are free to believe what you want, but so is everyone else. So if they make Christian prayer mandatory in public schools, they are favouring one religion which is restricting the freedom of religion for non-Christians. Finally, you are wrong. Teaching Scientology WOULD be worse than teaching evolution. Scientology is an absurd set of beliefs based on a science fiction novel. Evolution is agreed upon by the majority of scientists based on extensive scientific research. Ignore it if you want, but that is just pure ignorance. Creationism is also just based on a book that is not proven to be completely factual. There is a difference between teaching scientifically backed research and pushing fairy tales that have no scientific backing.
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Post by danb6177 on Dec 30, 2013 12:07:53 GMT -5
saskabroncoJust so you know ive studied religion(pretty much all) for most of my life,ive studied atheism(my dad is atheist)Ive studied agnosticism. Ive done this so that my eternal decision comes from a foundation of knowledge as opposed to winging it. I would never boast in myself but i will have to correct you for calling me ignorant-Im many things but that is not one of them.I dont believe I have attacked you but if I have I apologize. As I said before we cannot see things the same way. its night and day.
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Post by NickWorthem on Jan 12, 2014 4:06:36 GMT -5
Dan - I have been inactive in this thread, but I want to make a point. Evolution is taught as a theory, not as 100% fact, in a science classroom. Religion has no scientific base, thus should not be taught; my two cents.
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Post by rey713 on Jan 20, 2014 12:53:34 GMT -5
I agree with some of saka's post.
1. Santa is not real (duh)
2. Jesus wasn't born in December.
The establishment of December 25 evolved from pagan Roman festivals held at year’s end; about the time of the winter solstice in the Northern Hemisphere. Those festivals included the Saturnalia, in honor of Saturn (god of agriculture) and the combined festivals of two sun gods, the Roman Sol and the Persian Mithra (Christmas Encyclopedia). Both birthdays were celebrated on December 25, the winter solstice according to the Julian calendar.
Those pagan festivals began to be “Christianized” in the year 350, when Pope Julius I declared December 25 to be Christ’s birthday. “The Nativity gradually absorbed or supplanted all other solstice rites,” says the Encyclopedia of Religion. “Solar imagery came increasingly to be used to portray the risen Christ (who was also called Sol Invictus), and the old solar disk . . . became the halo of Christian saints.
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Now, onto what I don't agree with.
1. Shoving "religion down your throat".
I hear this silly phrase used over and over again. People like to classify the majority of Christians into this category. What exactly is "shoving it down your throat"? Where does this happen? I rarely hear other Christians "shoving their beliefs down someone's throat".
I'd just like to make a quick response to this and MOVE ON: What I DO see is pro-homosexuals shoving THEIR beliefs down other people's throats and crucifying (figuratively speaking) them if they don't accept them. If you're preaching tolerance towards gays, then be tolerant towards the beliefs of Christians. We're not killing/beating anyone for being gay (and if someone does, they are not a Jesus-imitating Christian). End of rant.
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And personally, I don't say Merry Christmas or celebrate Christmas(or Happy Holidays, because it's basically implying the same thing. No one says Happy Holidays during Thanksgiving) because it's a lie. It's based on a lie created by pagans and now turned into a cash-cow at the expense of ignorant Christians and people who celebrate it "just cause".
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Post by h24dog on Jan 20, 2014 12:58:46 GMT -5
I agree with some of saka's post. 1. Santa is not real (duh) 2. Jesus wasn't born in December. The establishment of December 25 evolved from pagan Roman festivals held at year’s end; about the time of the winter solstice in the Northern Hemisphere. Those festivals included the Saturnalia, in honor of Saturn (god of agriculture) and the combined festivals of two sun gods, the Roman Sol and the Persian Mithra (Christmas Encyclopedia). Both birthdays were celebrated on December 25, the winter solstice according to the Julian calendar. Those pagan festivals began to be “Christianized” in the year 350, when Pope Julius I declared December 25 to be Christ’s birthday. “The Nativity gradually absorbed or supplanted all other solstice rites,” says the Encyclopedia of Religion. “Solar imagery came increasingly to be used to portray the risen Christ (who was also called Sol Invictus), and the old solar disk . . . became the halo of Christian saints. -- Now, onto what I don't agree with. 1. Shoving "religion down your throat". I hear this silly phrase used over and over again. People like to classify the majority of Christians into this category. What exactly is "shoving it down your throat"? Where does this happen? I rarely hear other Christians "shoving their beliefs down someone's throat". I'd just like to make a quick response to this and MOVE ON: What I DO see is pro-homosexuals shoving THEIR beliefs down other people's throats and crucifying (figuratively speaking) them if they don't accept them. If you're preaching tolerance towards gays, then be tolerant towards the beliefs of Christians. We're not killing anyone for being gay. End of rant. -- And personally, I don't say Merry Christmas or celebrate Christmas(or Happy Holidays, because it's basically implying the same thing. No one says Happy Holidays during Thanksgiving) because it's a lie. It's based on a lie created by pagans and turned into a cash-cow at the expense of ignorant Christians and people who celebrate it "just cause". So does that you personally celebrate Festivus?
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Post by rey713 on Jan 20, 2014 13:00:37 GMT -5
saskabroncoI can see some of the problem now. You have a very broad scope of what Christianity is. Have you ever studied the various religions? It may change your perception. First off JW and mormons are not Christians. They do not believe in Christ as their savior and are against Christmas altogether. This explains to me why you say they come and force their beliefs down your throat. those factions do. Christianity believes that God is stronger than we are so when people who are not Christian celebrate Christmas(no matter in which way) it is a good thing. I could not see a person of Christ attacking someone for celebrating Christmas unless they are very unread. Even the Christmas lights on your home testify to Christs greatness (to us). LMAO. Dan, where have you been bro. I appreciate your inclination towards Christianity, but this was too far. How can you say JWs are not Christians? What led you to this belief? Matthew 20:28 - Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his life as a ransom in exchange for many. I do believe Jesus died to give us the CHANCE (not guarantee) at eternal life. And I believe he's the Son of God. Any questions, dan?
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Post by rey713 on Jan 20, 2014 13:02:10 GMT -5
So does that you personally celebrate Festivus? Heard of it, but am not familiar with it. So I guess that's a no.
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