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Post by falconsfan7007 on Jan 9, 2013 21:52:02 GMT -5
Figured I'd go ahead and start this thread, what does everyone think about no one getting into the HOF? It's Obvious to me that baseball has defiantly be tainted by the steroid abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 22:14:11 GMT -5
what i dont understand is these players that used steroids get votes, while a legend like pete rose still isnt in the HOF just because of some stupid gambling. even though im a reds fans, and it might sound im just being a homer, but the fact that hes not in the HOF is a complete joke IMO still. the same goes for shoeless joe, even though he was part of the black sox scandal. the HOF is so screwed up
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Post by cantonhall34 on Jan 10, 2013 5:54:18 GMT -5
The Pete Rose thing is correct. Anybody that's been in a major league clubhouse knows that one of the major rules that they keep is NO GAMBLING. It can potentially mess with the integrity of the game and therefore cannot be allowed or even tolerated. Now, in relation to Pete himself - this stuff happened to him as he was a manager and he says he never gambled ON his team or AGAINST his team. Neither can be taken as truth because he's been proven to be a liar and a selfish prick. He's out for HIMSELF first and foremost.
Imagine now - if a manager didn't directly bet ON or AGAINST his own team to win or lose any given game but...maybe put money on a certain team to win X amount of games or win the pennant that season or whatever...if he's playing against said team that season, even if it's in the middle of the season and he didn't bet on that SPECIFIC game, he could directly affect the amount of games that team won or lost by who he puts in the lineup or doesn't. This could create an advantage and cannot be allowed.
He did understand that when he was caught doing this - and denied for YEARS until just a few years back when he had a book coming out - that he would sustain a lifetime ban for his actions. He understood and signed off on that. He thought, incorrectly, that after some time he would be allowed back in baseball and all would be forgiven. He was wrong. Call it making an example of him or whatever, but if HE did this and was held to his punishment, then NOBODY else would be tempted to do the same thing he did. The fact that he is the HIT KING makes this suck though. He obviously belongs in the HOF for his play, but a lifetime ban is a lifetime ban. After he passes on he might be admitted. The best thing he could have done is WAIT to already be in the HOF before becoming a gambling junkie...if that were possible.
As far as the PEDs go - the vote this year proves how things will go from here on. It was a very interesting vote I think and the voters definitely sent a message. Whether or not people will believe that EVERYONE was using PEDs at the time these guys were or even just MANY players were, this vote shows that there is NOT going to be any reward for it. The guys that were denied the HOF this year - Bonds, Clemens, etc. - will have to pay the price for what they did. They may eventually get in, and at least THOSE TWO should get in, but it might take some time. The WORST part of this is that Bonds and Clemens were already going to be HOFers before the PEDs became a big part of the game. The careers that each of them had warranted that and the additional "edge" they were looking for would not have made any difference in that respect. Their egos pushed them to make a decision to use and now the other shoe has dropped. Of course it's entirely possible that they don't care about the vote, though outwardly they may say different, because they've already made their money and don't really have to concern themselves with any of that anymore. If the HOF comes calling later on in their lives then fine, but - like Pete Rose - they have a belief that eventually things will be accepted and they will be forgiven. Guess we'll see, but I think the idea that they are NOT first ballot HOFers is a big deal. Holding records is great, but the way in which those records were "achieved" should be taken into account. Having to wait to enter the HOF should be the punishment, because there should NOT be any reward for doing that. It's a bad message to send at best.
It would also seem that many of the current HOFers feel the same way from what I've seen and heard over the last couple of days. Some have gone so far as to say they won't return to the HOF if some of these other guys are admitted. That may be a stretch, but some of their thoughts and perspectives on this particular vote - and for the players from that entire era - could have had an impact on the voters. I mean, if your supposed PEERS (and that's what he HOF is comprised of) have those things to say about you that says a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 12:35:16 GMT -5
I said it before....say it again.
I couldnt care less if they took steroids. If they are stupid enough to take them considering the bad side effects,because they want to hit a ball 10 feet further,then let them.
They should be voted in by what they done on the field. Simple as that. Pete Rose too.
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