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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 23:20:05 GMT -5
Haha we will never know because the Bears refused to play. The AFL was not relevant they said. Well we proved that wrong. I wish it would have happened. But like I said "we will never know" We beat the Patriots 52-10 if I remember right in the championship game. and I think your stats are off, but not going to look it up. My mistake the Chargers were 11-3. If I'm not mistaken didn't they allowed 50 points in a loss to the 2-11-1 Broncos that year? Maybe the Bears would have scored more than 21 against them. I don't remember. I was nine years old. I just know we were really really good.
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Post by cantonhall34 on Oct 23, 2014 0:35:51 GMT -5
There's a fun site I go on sometimes to SIM games from historic teams in different sports to see how they'd fare. Looked at this match-up and here's what I found -
I set it up for 20 games, 10 at Wrigley ('63 Bears home) and 10 at Balboa ('63 Chargers home). For each location I put 0% precipitation, 0 wind, 60 degrees. Yeah, not 100% realistic as for temps and all, but I wanted to level the playing field to a certain extent and let the teams (and not the weather) decide.
San Diego: Won 6 out of 10 @ Chicago. Paul Lowe was the MVP of each win. Normally when they won the Chargers got out to an early lead and Chicago couldn't come back. Chicago: Won 4 out of 10 @ HOME. Four different MVPs for their wins. The games were much lower scoring when they won and the Bears never scored more than 14 points in any of the games there. When they did score 14 they won.
For the 10 games in Chicago, the Average Score was SD 12.9 - CHI 7.5. SD was shut out twice and Chicago three times in those games. This kinda shows how Chicago would need to play a lower scoring game and rely on the defense in order to win, whereas the Chargers would be able to win a lower scoring game as well. Unlike Chicago, however, it wasn't necessary as evidenced by winning 20-3, 31-0, and 19-13.
For the 10 games in San Diego:
San Diego: Won 7 out of 10 @ HOME. Paul Lowe was the MVP for four of those, Alworth chipped in for two, and even George Gross was MVP in a losing effort in an overtime game that ended 6-0. More high scores here, as would be expected. Chicago: Won 3 of the 10 @ San Diego. Three different MVPs for their games. Rick Casares was MVP in a losing effort in one of the games. The Bears only got into double digits three times in the ten games, and only broke 20 points once, scoring 21 in a win.
For the 10 games in San Diego, the Average Score was SD 17.1 - CHI 8.5. Chicago won the only OT game in the series, a 6-0 shutout, but were themselves shutout twice in SD, 13-0 and 31-0. Each game Chicago won in SD, 6-0, 14-10, and 21-17 illustrated again the importance for the Bears to keep it lower-scoring and close. In the highest-scoring game in the series, the Chargers won 27-16.
The final tally for the 20 games: San Diego 13 - Chicago 7. Average score: SD 15 - CHI 8.
It at least shows the versatility of the Chargers, being able to win in different ways, whether that be a higher scoring affair or a low-scoring slug-fest (10-7, 9-7, etc), while at the same time showing the limitations of the Bears. This could be attributed to the different styles of play in the different leagues, but again, with the Chargers being able to adapt to play a game regardless of the style, it seems more likely they would win, if the two had ever met on the field. The location of the game didn't seem to make much difference in the outcomes of the games. Weather of course could have played a role if there were such a game, but it's impossible to know.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 0:44:58 GMT -5
There's a fun site I go on sometimes to SIM games from historic teams in different sports to see how they'd fare. Looked at this match-up and here's what I found - I set it up for 20 games, 10 at Wrigley ('63 Bears home) and 10 at Balboa ('63 Chargers home). For each location I put 0% precipitation, 0 wind, 60 degrees. Yeah, not 100% realistic as for temps and all, but I wanted to level the playing field to a certain extent and let the teams (and not the weather) decide. San Diego: Won 6 out of 10 @ Chicago. Paul Lowe was the MVP of each win. Normally when they won the Chargers got out to an early lead and Chicago couldn't come back. Chicago: Won 4 out of 10 @ HOME. Four different MVPs for their wins. The games were much lower scoring when they won and the Bears never scored more than 14 points in any of the games there. When they did score 14 they won. For the 10 games in Chicago, the Average Score was SD 12.9 - CHI 7.5. SD was shut out twice and Chicago three times in those games. This kinda shows how Chicago would need to play a lower scoring game and rely on the defense in order to win, whereas the Chargers would be able to win a lower scoring game as well. Unlike Chicago, however, it wasn't necessary as evidenced by winning 20-3, 31-0, and 19-13. For the 10 games in San Diego: San Diego: Won 7 out of 10 @ HOME. Paul Lowe was the MVP for four of those, Alworth chipped in for two, and even George Gross was MVP in a losing effort in an overtime game that ended 6-0. More high scores here, as would be expected. Chicago: Won 3 of the 10 @ San Diego. Three different MVPs for their games. Rick Casares was MVP in a losing effort in one of the games. The Bears only got into double digits three times in the ten games, and only broke 20 points once, scoring 21 in a win. For the 10 games in San Diego, the Average Score was SD 17.1 - CHI 8.5. Chicago won the only OT game in the series, a 6-0 shutout, but were themselves shutout twice in SD, 13-0 and 31-0. Each game Chicago won in SD, 6-0, 14-10, and 21-17 illustrated again the importance for the Bears to keep it lower-scoring and close. In the highest-scoring game in the series, the Chargers won 27-16. The final tally for the 20 games: San Diego 13 - Chicago 7. Average score: SD 15 - CHI 8. It at least shows the versatility of the Chargers, being able to win in different ways, whether that be a higher scoring affair or a low-scoring slug-fest (10-7, 9-7, etc), while at the same time showing the limitations of the Bears. This could be attributed to the different styles of play in the different leagues, but again, with the Chargers being able to adapt to play a game regardless of the style, it seems more likely they would win, if the two had ever met on the field. The location of the game didn't seem to make much difference in the outcomes of the games. Weather of course could have played a role if there were such a game, but it's impossible to know. That is totally awesome. Of course it is simulation and like I said we will never know. But DUDE that is incredable. Funny you should come up with George Gross as a MVP. He came to my house on Christmas and broke my new airplane. The one on a string that had a gas motor and you held the string and it went round and round. He crashed it bad and bought me a new one. I haven't heard his name in YEARS. Him and Don Rodgers the center were good friends with my family. As were lots of others. My mom sold them all their houses when they moved here. Don Rodgers broke my mini bike. They were big fat guys. haha. Don was the center. And we used to tease him that all he did was hike the ball and lay down and roll to trip people. I still see Don about once a year. He is a tax accountant and comes and stays at my moms house during tax season. His wife Dee is still a fox at her age.
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Post by cantonhall34 on Oct 23, 2014 0:51:45 GMT -5
That is totally awesome. Of course it is simulation and like I said we will never know. But DUDE that is incredable. Funny you should come up with George Gross as a MVP. He came to my house on Christmas and broke my new airplane. The one on a string that had a gas motor and you held the string and it went round and round. He crashed it bad and bought me a new one. I haven't heard his name in YEARS. Him and Don Rodgers the center were good friends with my family. As were lots of others. My mom sold them all their houses when they moved here. Don Rodgers broke my mini bike. They were big fat guys. haha. Don was the center. And we used to tease him that all he did was hike the ball and lay down and roll to trip people. I still see Don about once a year. He is a tax accountant and comes and stays at my moms house during tax season. His wife Dee is still a fox at her age. Craig, I still can't get over your connections. Must have been a fun childhood. That's a great story, too. Kudos, sir.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 1:23:23 GMT -5
That is totally awesome. Of course it is simulation and like I said we will never know. But DUDE that is incredable. Funny you should come up with George Gross as a MVP. He came to my house on Christmas and broke my new airplane. The one on a string that had a gas motor and you held the string and it went round and round. He crashed it bad and bought me a new one. I haven't heard his name in YEARS. Him and Don Rodgers the center were good friends with my family. As were lots of others. My mom sold them all their houses when they moved here. Don Rodgers broke my mini bike. They were big fat guys. haha. Don was the center. And we used to tease him that all he did was hike the ball and lay down and roll to trip people. I still see Don about once a year. He is a tax accountant and comes and stays at my moms house during tax season. His wife Dee is still a fox at her age. Craig, I still can't get over your connections. Must have been a fun childhood. That's a great story, too. Kudos, sir. My connections were awesome as a young boy. I've told the story lots of times. My dad abandon us and my mom was in real estate. She got hooked up with the chargers when they moved for LA in 60. It was a small town then. Lots of the chargers bought houses in my neighborhood. And my mom was young and became friends with lots of the wives. It was awesome. As I got older I actually built pools and put in solar for some. I serviced lots of their pools Alworth, Hadl, Pat Curran, Sweeney, Gross, Rodgers, Staggs,(who just passed away), and more. I drank at Pat Curran (TE) at his restaurant a few times with Fouts, Ed White, Lydon King, and John Jefferson. i had season tickets during those years. I'm a Charger fan for life. Born and raised.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 1:41:34 GMT -5
I love telling these stories because they are totally true and bring back great memories. Get this, one of my biggest mistakes ever. I got real sick and my neighbor Ron Nery number 80 Def end won the game ball one game. He took the ball and had the entire team sigh it. He gave it to me. I almost died of double pnemonia. I got better and was about nine years old. WHAT DID I DO WITH THE BALL? I played with it on the street. I ruined it. Ron is dead now and I would give my left nut to have that ball in a protective case. It was actually a real pig skin AFL ball, signed by all the Chargers. What a bonehead to play with it on the street. My mom should have helped me not do that. It had all the greats autographs.
Edit. He also had the couches sign it. Guys like Sid Gilman, John Madden, and Al Davis. Can you believe I ruined that? Dang I'm a bonehead. but how did I know?
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Post by cantonhall34 on Oct 23, 2014 1:45:32 GMT -5
That's awesome. When we're kids we don't know to keep that stuff safe, though. We just see the football and wanna play with it. Kinda like the kid in The Sandlot - the kids in the neighborhood need a baseball so he takes his step-dads. It was signed by Babe Ruth, but he didn't know any better.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 1:51:33 GMT -5
That's awesome. When we're kids we don't know to keep that stuff safe, though. We just see the football and wanna play with it. Kinda like the kid in The Sandlot - the kids in the neighborhood need a baseball so he takes his step-dads. It was signed by Babe Ruth, but he didn't know any better. I was always a sports guy as a kid. I had baseball cards that I would lay out on the floor and pretend to play a game. I used them with cloths pins to clip on my spokes of my bicycle to make it sound like a motorcycle. You know cards like Yogi Berra, Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris, etc. Geez what a bonehead.
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Post by h24dog on Oct 23, 2014 15:31:46 GMT -5
Hey welcome to the forum! Nice list, but why is Sayers the RB #4? Only because of injuries and his career was basically over at age 26. Sounds like another star athlete here in Chicago..
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Post by Divebitch on Oct 23, 2014 20:36:25 GMT -5
Chicago Bears QB: Jim McMahon, Jay Cutler RB: Walter Payton, Neil Anderson, Matt Forte, Gale Sayers WR: Johnny Morris, Curtis Conway, Dick Gordon, James Scott, Willie Gault TE: Mike Ditka, Emery Morehead, Desmond Clark LT: Jimbo Covert, Herman Lee RT: Keith Van Horne, James Williams C: Jay Hilgenberg, Olin Kreutz LG: Mark Bortz, Noah Jackson RG: Roberto Garza, Tom Thayer LDT: Steve McMichael, Jim Osborne RDT: Tommie Harris, William Perry LDE: Dan Hampton, Mike Hardenstine RDE: Richard Dent, Doug Atkins LOLB: Doug Buffone, Joe Fortunato ROLB: Lance Briggs, Otis Wilson MLB: Mike Singletary, Brian Urlacher, Dick Butkus LCB: Bennie McRae, Donnell Woolford RCB: Charles Tillman, Terry Schmidt FS: Richie Petitbon, Rosey Taylor SS: Gary Fencik, Mike Brown P: Bobby Joe Green, Brad Maynard K: Kevin Butler, Robbie Gould KR: Devin Hester, Dennis Gentry All but a handful from the 85 team, love it. Was McMahon really their best QB? He was by far the most fun (and ballsy) for sure. Sayers, just a testament to the Bears history of dedication to the run game. EDIT: Welcome to the forum. Was living in Chicago 85.
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