999Bronco
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Post by 999Bronco on Sept 17, 2014 17:35:54 GMT -5
Peyton Manning has been virtually perfect this season. To not even have him in the top 10 is laughable, regardless of the metrics used to get this list. So Ryan Fitzpatrick is on the list, presumably because he managed the games well and Houston is 2-0 (against Washington and Oakland, but let's not mention that), but then Drew Brees is 4th while he's 0-2. If wins don't matter, than how is Fitz here? If they do, then how the fuck is Brees #4? I just don't understand this list at all. Again, the list is not calling them the best QBs in the league, but they playing their position at a high level. And regarding Peyton, I recall him having a good amount of shaky passes through the first two weeks of play, and PFF goes on a snap-to-snap basis. Fitzpatrick has not done anything wrong thus far this year. He has not hindered the team. Same goes for Tannehill, Davis, and, why this thread was created, Eli. lol There's "not doing anything wrong thus far" and "not hindering the team", and there's playing at a top 10 level, which is it?
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Post by MarchingOn on Sept 17, 2014 17:45:07 GMT -5
I would challenge PFF to go throw Peyton's film snap-by-snap and not give him a better grade over the last two games than Eli or Austin Davis or Ryan Fitzpatrick. And apparently they did that and got to the conclusion that he's been barely above average. Despite the fact that he's carried his team to two wins by being asked to get his team ahead, and then keep throwing and building the lead because they can't run the ball. Peyton is 38 and he's been asked to throw 62 balls in the first two games. And doing that, he's got a better rating and QBR than he had over the course of his entire record breaking season. Peyton completed 80% of his throws against the Chiefs last week. EIGHTY PERCENT that's unheard of and impossible to maintain in the NFL. That's comperable to batter hitting .450 or Ray Allen hitting 91% from the line. It's absurd. And although I agree it's possible that he can do these things and still not blow PFF numbers out of the water, saying he's not even +3.1 is a joke. Please, explain to me how Austin Davis has done those things in St. Louis, where he got blown out the first week and barely played week 2. Please justify him being at least 6 spots ahead of the guy I described here. You can't. Being asked to throw 62 balls in two weeks isn't much at all. That's an average of 31 a game, which without looking it up, I would say is about the number of attempts the majority of QBs in the league throw per game. How much do you want to bet his rating/QBR goes down? It's week 2. As the season goes on, his numbers will average out. Obviously we can't explain why PFF has Davis above Manning, because we don't work for PFF and we don't know their formula. I'm sure PFF themselves could gladly tell you though. They aren't bias, and they don't give in to a player's reputation.
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Post by MarchingOn on Sept 17, 2014 17:48:14 GMT -5
Again, the list is not calling them the best QBs in the league, but they playing their position at a high level. And regarding Peyton, I recall him having a good amount of shaky passes through the first two weeks of play, and PFF goes on a snap-to-snap basis. Fitzpatrick has not done anything wrong thus far this year. He has not hindered the team. Same goes for Tannehill, Davis, and, why this thread was created, Eli. lol There's "not doing anything wrong thus far" and "not hindering the team", and there's playing at a top 10 level, which is it? Those things don't have to be mutually exclusive. "Not doing anything wrong" and "not hindering a team" could be seen as top 10, depending on how good/bad the other QBs have been.
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Post by Divebitch on Sept 17, 2014 17:50:20 GMT -5
"3. Ryan Tannehill (MIA) +3.2 The controversial one. Already has lost 113 yards in drops which skews his numbers." Ya think?!?! Okay, so poor Tanny had incompetent scrubs to blame for dropped passes, and Eli..."He was 19-23 at halftime in the Arizona game until 5 dropped passes in the 4th quarter helped propel the Cardinals to victory." Well, that should probably put Eli well ahead of Tannehill. Trying hard to not made this sound like a hate post but... " In all honesty, I would agree that Eli is actually playing very well, and its good to see the analytics guys see it too." Who ARE these guys? My most positive spin on Eli... hard to judge in 2 games. Only caught a few minutes here and there. But nothing in 0-2 and close to last in every offensive category (20th in passing is their best) suggest he is top 10, even ATM. They don't even have the excuses some other teams do.
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Post by plax on Sept 17, 2014 17:58:25 GMT -5
"3. Ryan Tannehill (MIA) +3.2 The controversial one. Already has lost 113 yards in drops which skews his numbers." Ya think?!?! Okay, so poor Tanny had incompetent scrubs to blame for dropped passes, and Eli..."He was 19-23 at halftime in the Arizona game until 5 dropped passes in the 4th quarter helped propel the Cardinals to victory." Well, that should probably put Eli well ahead of Tannehill. Trying hard to not made this sound like a hate post but... " In all honesty, I would agree that Eli is actually playing very well, and its good to see the analytics guys see it too." Who ARE these guys? My most positive spin on Eli... hard to judge in 2 games. Only caught a few minutes here and there. But nothing in 0-2 and close to last in every offensive category (20th in passing is their best) suggest he is top 10, even ATM. They don't even have the excuses some other teams do. You answered yourself with "who are these guys". They are people who go deep into analyzing players. In this case, they look at the play-by-play for all QBs. A lot of times, QBs that showcase good stats are not playing as well as the stats suggest, and vice versa. And your post justifies the article in itself. You are saying Eli's stats and record don't show he is playing at a top 10 level, and THAT is why the analytics are there, so help show people how someone is REALLY playing (and not just looking at a box score).
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999Bronco
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Post by 999Bronco on Sept 17, 2014 18:01:55 GMT -5
lol There's "not doing anything wrong thus far" and "not hindering the team", and there's playing at a top 10 level, which is it? Those things don't have to be mutually exclusive. "Not doing anything wrong" and "not hindering a team" could be seen as top 10, depending on how good/bad the other QBs have been. Then where's Peyton? That's where the list becomes inconsistent.
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Post by EagleDomiKnation on Sept 17, 2014 18:03:46 GMT -5
This seems to list them as the top 10 most improved? Yes? That makes sense then. Not top 10 as in this season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 18:05:14 GMT -5
Eli reminds me of Rivers in 2010 and 2011. He's capable of turning it around but we shall see if that happens. Plax I think you said Eli had the second most drops, who has the most?
Drops can sometimes mean your timing and work with the receivers is sup par.
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Post by plax on Sept 17, 2014 18:09:05 GMT -5
Eli reminds me of Rivers in 2010 and 2011. He's capable of turning it around but we shall see if that happens. Plax I think you said Eli had the second most drops, who has the most? Drops can sometimes mean your timing and work with the receivers is sup par. Not sure who has the most. I didn't find it off of a list, it was a note under Eli on another page on PFF. And the drops the WRs had with Eli were just plain drops, such as Cruz on a 3rd down against ARZ and Randles against ARZ.
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Post by MarchingOn on Sept 17, 2014 18:17:57 GMT -5
Those things don't have to be mutually exclusive. "Not doing anything wrong" and "not hindering a team" could be seen as top 10, depending on how good/bad the other QBs have been. Then where's Peyton? That's where the list becomes inconsistent. That statement was more in general, not necessarily regarding to this list. I agree Manning hasn't done anything to hurt his team. But PFF isn't inconsistent. They have a method, and they follow that method. They're not going to put Peyton Manning on the list just because he's Peyton Manning. If he hasn't looked great according to what PFF judges by, then they won't put him on the list, even if the PFF people themselves believe he is a top 10 QB. (in the regular way of judging QBs)
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