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Post by patriotsk1d on May 5, 2014 21:32:06 GMT -5
patriotsk1dMosley will never happen for the Giants. They don't like going LB as it is, and they will take a high player on their board. Mosley is not even great value at 12. They would easily take Martin or Barr over him. Do you like Barr over Mosley at this point? I did, up until about a month ago, not so much now though. I see Mosley as top 10 talent, with some injury concerns. What exactly are your concerns with Mosley? Or do you just feel he doesnt fit a need, and isnt good enough to be taken over other needs? I was real close to putting Ebron there. One thing to note is I will never do trades in my mock drafts. I view the Giants as a candidate to trade down if value is there. Actually I think we are going to see more trade downs than usual in this draft.
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Post by patriotsk1d on May 5, 2014 21:34:04 GMT -5
My final top 5 by position: QB: 1. Blake Bortles 2a. Teddy Bridgewater 2b. Zach Mettenberger 3. AJ McCarron 4. David Fales 5. Johnny Manziel RB: 1. Bishop Sankey 2. Carlos Hyde 3a. Tre Mason 3b. Andre Williams 3c. Ka'Deem Carey 4. Jeremy Hill 5. Davonta Freeman WR: 1. Mike Evans 2. Sammy Wakints 3. Marqise Lee 4. Brandon Cooks 5. Odell Beckham JR TE: 1. Jace Amaro 2. Eric Ebron 3. Troy Niklas 4. Austin Seferian-Jenkins 5a. Grockett Gillmore 5b. C.J. Fiedorowicz OT: 1. Jake Matthews 2. Taylor Lewan 3. Greg Robinson 4. Marcus Moses 5. Cyrus Kouandjio OG: 1. Zach Martin 2. Joel Bitonio 3. Xavier Su'a-Filo 4. David yankey 5. Gabe Jackson C: 1. Marcus Martin 2. Weston Richburg 3. Travis Swanson 4. Wesley Johnson I do not think there is a center that is worth drafting after those 4. I think Martin could be a late first rounder, and that the first 3 will be gone by the end of the 3rd round. I think Johnson will be gone by the 5th. DT: 1. Aaron Donald 2. Louis Nix 3. Dominique Easley 4. Stephon Tuitt 5. Timmy Jernigan DE: 1. Jadeveon Clowney 2. Kony Ealy 3a. Dee Ford 3b. Demarcus Lawrence 4. Scott Crichton 5. Kareem Martin OLB: 1. Khalil Mack 2. Ryan Shazier 3. Anthony Barr 4. Kyle Van Noy 5. Jeremiah Attaochu ILB: 1. CJ Mosley 2. Shayne Skov 3. Yawin Smallwood 4. Chris Borland 5. Preston Brown CB: 1. Kyle Fuller 2. Darqueeze Dennard 3. Justin Gilbert 4. Bradley Roby 5. Lamarcus Joyner S: 1. Deon Buccannon 2. Calvin Pryor 3. Jimmie Ward 4. Ha'shean Clinton-Dix 5. Brock Vereen And please note that this is based off 4-3 sets.
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Post by plax on May 5, 2014 21:41:31 GMT -5
patriotsk1dMosley will never happen for the Giants. They don't like going LB as it is, and they will take a high player on their board. Mosley is not even great value at 12. They would easily take Martin or Barr over him. Do you like Barr over Mosley at this point? I did, up until about a month ago, not so much now though. I see Mosley as top 10 talent, with some injury concerns. What exactly are your concerns with Mosley? Or do you just feel he doesnt fit a need, and isnt good enough to be taken over other needs? I was real close to putting Ebron there. One thing to note is I will never do trades in my mock drafts. I view the Giants as a candidate to trade down if value is there. Actually I think we are going to see more trade downs than usual in this draft. I have always liked Barr more than Mosley. I see Mosley as an okay linebacker who is elevated because he is the "top guy" at his position. He has knee problems. He is a natural ILB, where we have Beason. I do not see any way the Giants call Mosley's name on Thursday.
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Post by patriotsk1d on May 5, 2014 21:46:32 GMT -5
Do you like Barr over Mosley at this point? I did, up until about a month ago, not so much now though. I see Mosley as top 10 talent, with some injury concerns. What exactly are your concerns with Mosley? Or do you just feel he doesnt fit a need, and isnt good enough to be taken over other needs? I was real close to putting Ebron there. One thing to note is I will never do trades in my mock drafts. I view the Giants as a candidate to trade down if value is there. Actually I think we are going to see more trade downs than usual in this draft. I have always liked Barr more than Mosley. I see Mosley as an okay linebacker who is elevated because he is the "top guy" at his position. He has knee problems. He is a natural ILB, where we have Beason. I do not see any way the Giants call Mosley's name on Thursday. I guess we will find out on Thursday. One thing I have learned over there years, is that basically everyone is wrong when it comes to mock drafts. One trade screws up the entire thing. Just curious, but who do you think is most likely to be picked at 12? I can tell you that I really have no expectations at 29. Its going to be BPA, and that could be basically any position.
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Post by MarchingOn on May 5, 2014 21:52:08 GMT -5
Saying somebody gets elevated just because they are considered the best at their position doesn't make a lot of sense to me. He wouldn't be considered top 15 prospect if he was only just the best of a bad group.
Mosley would have been the best inside linebacker prospect last year as well imo. He's better than Manti Te'o.
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Post by plax on May 5, 2014 21:54:15 GMT -5
I have always liked Barr more than Mosley. I see Mosley as an okay linebacker who is elevated because he is the "top guy" at his position. He has knee problems. He is a natural ILB, where we have Beason. I do not see any way the Giants call Mosley's name on Thursday. I guess we will find out on Thursday. One thing I have learned over there years, is that basically everyone is wrong when it comes to mock drafts. One trade screws up the entire thing. Just curious, but who do you think is most likely to be picked at 12? I can tell you that I really have no expectations at 29. Its going to be BPA, and that could be basically any position. If available, 1. Mike Evans 2. Jake Matthews 3. Aaron Donald 4. Zack Martin 5. Taylor Lewan 6. Eric Ebron
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Post by plax on May 5, 2014 21:56:31 GMT -5
Saying somebody gets elevated just because they are considered the best at their position doesn't make a lot of sense to me. He wouldn't be considered top 15 prospect if he was only just the best of a bad group. Mosley would have been the best inside linebacker prospect last year as well imo. He's better than Manti Te'o. He is better than Te'o, I agree. But the #1 guy in the class always gets elevated. Personally, I see Mosley as a late-1st round guy.
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on May 6, 2014 5:43:06 GMT -5
My second mock draft. I will release my final version on Wednesday or Thursday. 1. HOU - Jadeveon Clowney 2. STL - Jake Matthews 3. JAX - Khalil Mack 4. CLE - Sammy Watkins 5. OAK - Mike Evans 6. ATL - Greg Robinson 7. TB - Aaron Donald 8. MIN - Blake Bortles 9. BUF - Taylor Lewan 10. DET - Darqueeze Dennard 11. TEN - Justin Gilbert 12. NYG - CJ Mosley 13. STL - Johhny Manziel 14. CHI - Calvin Pryor 15. PIT - Kyle Fuller 16. DAL - Ha'sean Clinton-Dix 17. BAL - Zack Martin 18. NYJ - Brandon Cooks 19. MIA - Xavier Su'a-Filo 20. ARI - Anthony Barr 21. GB - Jimmie Ward 22. PHI - Marqise Lee 23. KC - Odell Beckham Jr 24. CIN - Louis Nix 25. SD - Stepthen Tuitt 26. CLE - Teddy Bridgewater 27. NO - Donte Moncrief 28. CAR - Cody Lattimar 29. NE - Ryan Shazier 30. SF - Jordan Matthews 31. DEN - Carlos Hyde 32. SEA - Joel Bitonio If I were picking for the Steelers I'd seriously be torn between Fuller and Barr
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on May 6, 2014 18:21:14 GMT -5
Just some predictions of my own.
CBs will go higher than expected, they seem to always go very high with the NFL putting a premium on passing. Gilbert should go in the top 10-13 with Dennard following shortly after.
Cleveland will take Manziel if available.
After Watkins/Evans, WRs drop a bit. GMs worth their while typically know the most valued postions on the offensive side of the ball are QBs, OL, and maybe TEs until Graham/Gronk sky rockets the market value. Elite or even very good QBs can make an offense with even average talent. I don't think as many WRs will be taken in the first as expected.
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Post by patriotsk1d on May 7, 2014 17:07:32 GMT -5
My final mock and final top 5 by position:
1. HOU- Jadeveon Clowney DE 2. STL- Jake Matthews OT 3. JAX- Greg Robinson OT 4. CLE- Sammy Watkins WR 5. OAK- Mike Evans WR 6. ATL- Khalil Mack OLB 7. TB- Aaron Donald DT 8. MIN- CJ Mosley MLB 9. BUF- Taylor Lewan OT 10.DET- Darqueeze Dennard CB 11.TEN- Justin Gilbert CB 12.NYG- Eric Ebron TE 13.STL- Johnny Manziel QB 14.CHI- Calvin Pryor S 15.PIT- Kyle Fuller 16.DAL- Ha'sean Clinton-Dix 17.BAL-Zack Martin OT/OG 18.NYJ- Brandon Cooks WR 19.MIA- Xavier Su'a-Filo OG 20.ARI- Blake Bortles QB 21.GB- Jimmie Ward S 22.PHI- Marqise Lee WR 23.KC- Odell Beckham JR WR 24.CIN- Louis NIX NT 25.SD- Stepthen Tuitt DE/DT 26.CLE- Teddy Bridgewater QB 27.NO- Donte Moncrief WR 28.CAR- Cody Lattimar WR 29.NE- Demarcus Lawerence DE/OLB 30.SF- Anthony Barr OLB 31.DEN- Ryan Shazier OLB 32.SEA- Joel Bitonio OT/OG/C
QB: 1. Blake Bortles 2a. Teddy Bridgewater 2b. Zach Mettenberger 3. AJ McCarron 4. David Fales 5. Johnny Manziel
RB: 1. Bishop Sankey 2. Carlos Hyde 3a. Tre Mason 3b. Andre Williams 3c. Ka'Deem Carey 4. Jeremy Hill 5. Davonta Freeman
WR: 1. Mike Evans 2. Sammy Wakints 3. Marqise Lee 4. Brandon Cooks 5. Odell Beckham JR
TE: 1. Jace Amaro 2. Eric Ebron 3. Troy Niklas 4. Austin Seferian-Jenkins 5a. Grockett Gillmore 5b. C.J. Fiedorowicz
OT:
1. Jake Matthews 2. Taylor Lewan 3. Greg Robinson 4. Marcus Moses 5. Cyrus Kouandjio
OG:
1. Zach Martin 2. Joel Bitonio 3. Xavier Su'a-Filo 4. David yankey 5. Gabe Jackson
C: 1. Marcus Martin 2. Weston Richburg 3. Travis Swanson 4. Wesley Johnson
DT: 1. Aaron Donald 2. Louis Nix 3. Dominique Easley 4. Stephon Tuitt 5. Timmy Jernigan
DE: 1. Jadeveon Clowney 2. Demarcus Lawrence 3a. Dee Ford 3b. Kony Ealy 4. Scott Crichton 5. Kareem Martin
OLB:
1. Khalil Mack 2. Ryan Shazier 3. Anthony Barr 4. Kyle Van Noy 5. Jeremiah Attaochu
ILB:
1. CJ Mosley 2. Shayne Skov 3. Yawin Smallwood 4. Chris Borland 5. Preston Brown
CB:
1. Kyle Fuller 2. Darqueeze Dennard 3. Justin Gilbert 4. Bradley Roby 5. Lamarcus Joyner
S: 1. Deon Buccannon 2. Calvin Pryor 3. Jimmie Ward 4. Ha'shean Clinton-Dix 5. Brock Vereen
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