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Post by MarchingOn on Aug 20, 2014 2:06:57 GMT -5
They are not a better team than Michigan.. Damn it, I hate Al Borges so much. Nobody would say stuff like this if it wasn't for him.. The most incompetent OC I've ever seen in my life time, and he has to be ours for 3 years. He literally ran a different scheme for the OLine every single week. One week, we'd do man to man blocking, next week we'd be a zone blocking OLine. We even did something as crazy as move Taylor Lewan to a TE and have him block as a TE for us. No offensive line can be successful when having the scheme constantly switched up the scheme like that, especially when you're starting freshman on the OL like we were. Just.. What kind of idiot do you have to be to think something like that would work?? Not to mention he's an absolutely dreadful playcaller. All hail Doug Nussmeier. Thank god we were able to poach him from Bama. He will show our offense the light! What does Michigan have that Miss St doesn't do better? Nothing Oh boo hoo. We had a bad OC, so he couldn't make our average big ten talent look good. A lot of things, actually. Basically, Michigan's team is a lot more talented in almost every area. Talent isn't the question for Michigan, we're up there with Ohio St and Mich St in that regard. But our coaches the last two years have made us look a lot more awful than we actually are. If our staff (namely, the offensive staff) can get their act together, we'll be very good. Saying we have average Big Ten talent is just false. Also, to your last post's edit: Big Ten East is: Indiana Maryland Michigan Michigan State Ohio State Penn State Rutgers Indiana and Maryland are average, and Rutgers is absolutely dreadful. But going through Penn St, Mich St, Mich, and Ohio St is a potential gauntlet. Probably not this year, but in a few years when James Franklin builds up PSU's talent, and if Michigan can re-emerge as a power, that's a deadly division.
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Post by Morkim on Aug 20, 2014 2:15:19 GMT -5
What does Michigan have that Miss St doesn't do better? Nothing Oh boo hoo. We had a bad OC, so he couldn't make our average big ten talent look good. A lot of things, actually. Basically, Michigan's team is a lot more talented in almost every area. Talent isn't the question for Michigan, we're up there with Ohio St and Mich St in that regard. But our coaches the last two years have made us look a lot more awful than we actually are. If our staff (namely, the offensive staff) can get their act together, we'll be very good. Saying we have average Big Ten talent is just false. Also, to your last post's edit: Big Ten East is: Indiana Maryland Michigan Michigan State Ohio State Penn State Rutgers Indiana and Maryland are average, and Rutgers is absolutely dreadful. But going through Penn St, Mich St, Mich, and Ohio St is a potential gauntlet. Probably not this year, but in a few years when James Franklin builds up PSU's talent, and if Michigan can re-emerge as a power, that's a deadly division. Oh. That changes my mind. It might be a strong conference, someday, maybe. If stuff happens and we get better. ^^^ do you see the fallacy in that argument? I could just as easily say the same thing about Florida/Georgia/sc/Mizzou bouncing back, couldn't I? I'll take my chances with the teams in the best conference in football. Break down the talent. Because if you want to compare rosters, I don't mind.
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Post by MarchingOn on Aug 20, 2014 2:33:36 GMT -5
A lot of things, actually. Basically, Michigan's team is a lot more talented in almost every area. Talent isn't the question for Michigan, we're up there with Ohio St and Mich St in that regard. But our coaches the last two years have made us look a lot more awful than we actually are. If our staff (namely, the offensive staff) can get their act together, we'll be very good. Saying we have average Big Ten talent is just false. Also, to your last post's edit: Big Ten East is: Indiana Maryland Michigan Michigan State Ohio State Penn State Rutgers Indiana and Maryland are average, and Rutgers is absolutely dreadful. But going through Penn St, Mich St, Mich, and Ohio St is a potential gauntlet. Probably not this year, but in a few years when James Franklin builds up PSU's talent, and if Michigan can re-emerge as a power, that's a deadly division. Oh. That changes my mind. It might be a strong conference, someday, maybe. If stuff happens and we get better. ^^^ do you see the fallacy in that argument? I could just as easily say the same thing about Florida/Georgia/sc/Mizzou bouncing back, couldn't I? I'll take my chances with the teams in the best conference in football. Break down the talent. Because if you want to compare rosters, I don't mind. But the thing is, the "ifs" I mentioned already look to be happening. Penn St has a top 5 recruiting class in the nation right now, and we already know Franklin is a good HC from what he did at Vandy. Give him a few years, and the influx of talent will, in all likelihood, re-emerge Penn St. Likewise, I feel Michigan's influx of talent from Hoke is about to pay off. Yes, I realize I'm just predicting rather than showing actual proof, but that's all I can do right now. I feel we're knocking on the doorstep. You can say that about Florida, UGA, and SCar, sure. Not Mizzou though. Last year was their first good year in who knows how long. They were a middling team in the Big 12, they'll likely be a middling team in the SEC.
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Aug 20, 2014 10:05:25 GMT -5
Blah. This is why I can't stand college football outside of Penn State. Deciding who is good and who is not by the strength of their division is ridiculous. Can't help if other teams are struggling, why should that hurt the good teams?
The NCAA's reasoning for deciding who's good and who's not seems so flawed.
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Post by Morkim on Aug 20, 2014 14:42:26 GMT -5
Blah. This is why I can't stand college football outside of Penn State. Deciding who is good and who is not by the strength of their division is ridiculous. Can't help if other teams are struggling, why should that hurt the good teams? The NCAA's reasoning for deciding who's good and who's not seems so flawed. I'm sorry, but if you're referring to Michigan, I'm not saying they were average simply because of their SOS, but a combination of weak SOS and poor performance in that weak SOS. if you dominate a weak SOS, I wouldn't know how you rank to good teams.
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Aug 20, 2014 15:37:16 GMT -5
Blah. This is why I can't stand college football outside of Penn State. Deciding who is good and who is not by the strength of their division is ridiculous. Can't help if other teams are struggling, why should that hurt the good teams? The NCAA's reasoning for deciding who's good and who's not seems so flawed. I'm sorry, but if you're referring to Michigan, I'm not saying they were average simply because of their SOS, but a combination of weak SOS and poor performance in that weak SOS. if you dominate a weak SOS, I wouldn't know how you rank to good teams. I'm just saying in general, not specifically Michigan.
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Post by Jancey on Aug 20, 2014 17:03:09 GMT -5
I'm so ready for next Saturday.
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Post by Morkim on Aug 20, 2014 17:53:13 GMT -5
MarchingOn mind citing a source for the average rankings? Or did you look at them all individually?
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Post by MarchingOn on Aug 20, 2014 18:09:15 GMT -5
MarchingOn mind citing a source for the average rankings? Or did you look at them all individually? I had to go through them all individually. I used the depth chart from Ourlads.com to get the starters, and just looked up their rival ranks. From there, all you have to do is add up the stars, divide by 11, and that'll give you the average star rating for an offense or defense.
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Post by Morkim on Aug 20, 2014 18:43:30 GMT -5
MarchingOn mind citing a source for the average rankings? Or did you look at them all individually? I had to go through them all individually. I used the depth chart from Ourlads.com to get the starters, and just looked up their rival ranks. From there, all you have to do is add up the stars, divide by 11, and that'll give you the average star rating for an offense or defense. That is way more effort than I am willing to put forth to make a point. Might come back to this later. But my mentioning Florida was an oversight, I thought your list had Florida not FSU. Bad defense is still bad. Either blame the talant or blame the coach. But if he was coaching so well before, why would he completely change how he was coaching? To cover some poor talent maybe Kentucky out recruited Michigan this last year Mo. Does that make you hurt inside? That's a little embarrassing. We won two games brah
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