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Post by plax on Feb 10, 2014 15:12:28 GMT -5
People are saying today that this Sam thing is a good thing for HIM. Now teams know what he is about and I am sure many will take him off their list. So the team that takes him will obviously feel confident that there will be no problems - which is what Sam wants himself.
If you are not going in the top 40, the money you make is not much different from the 3rd round to the end of the draft. At least now he will go to a team that WANTS HIM.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 15:21:51 GMT -5
People are saying today that this Sam thing is a good thing for HIM. Now teams know what he is about and I am sure many will take him off their list. So the team that takes him will obviously feel confident that there will be no problems - which is what Sam wants himself. If you are not going in the top 40, the money you make is not much different from the 3rd round to the end of the draft. At least now he will go to a team that WANTS HIM. haha I was just going to post something about the same as you just did. I think he will either be taken close to where he would have anyway or not at all. I'm thinking that teams will either think its not a big deal or they will think its way to much of a distraction to deal with it for one player. If they don't think it will be a big deal they may wait one round just to get a bargain.
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Post by MarchingOn on Feb 10, 2014 15:27:22 GMT -5
I gotta disagree a bit here. I realize that when I say something agains todays views of society it considered hate speech. But I dont hate ..anyway sue me. I dont see a person in sports coming "out of the closet" as anything but normal for our society. I definitely don't see his stock going down. I for sure dont see it as courageous or at least no more courageous than a player who disagrees with it-that persons stock will go down. Its not like homosexuality is an uncommon thing anymore. Without the media and forums nobody would even talk about it outside of a church. ...How is it not courageous for Sam to do what he did? Tons of people struggle with coming out. Tons of people feel like they will be ridiculed or ostracized for it. Being able to come out, especially in one of the (if not THE) most hetero-macho sport, could help so many other people in so many ways. With a couple of sentences Sam's life has changed. His mere existence as a gay football player is controversial now. Sam knew the effects this would have on him, and he still didn't care. That's very courageous. Homosexuality isn't that uncommon anymore, you're right, but it's still frowned upon by most of society and tons of gay people still (and might not ever) come out for that reason alone.
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Post by saskabronco on Feb 10, 2014 15:31:59 GMT -5
saskabronco As far as your take on my friend not knowing his feelings when he was younger and just going with what was accepted, I disagree. If you had known him like I did for thirty plus years I think you may think differently. He most definitely like girls and not boys. If not he deserves an academy award. He even said he never had gay feelings before. You know your friends and I don't, so it wouldn't be right of me to try and tell you otherwise. The thing that I am thinking on this is that maybe they aren't born gay, but that doesn't mean they chose to be gay and that is still a big difference. Out of curiosity, were your friends excited when they became gay? It sounds like it wasn't a great experience for either of them. I think there is still something internal and beyond their control that pushed them to be gay, not that they were just like, "You know what, I want to ditch my family and start banging dudes now." I don't know if I am making sense, my point is just that the people condemning homosexuality seem to think it is a choice to be gay and I don't think that is the case. That would mean that if I wanted, I could choose to go and do that if I wanted to right now and that is not the case. I love my fiance with all my heart and I am attracted to women, not men. I don't see how I could decide to start finding the male body sexually attractive.
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Feb 10, 2014 15:36:22 GMT -5
Back to the subject of his draft. I'm interested in seeing if he drops or not. Whats the consensus of where he would have been drafted if he wasn't gay? Most people were saying late second or early third round. Hopefully he doesn't fall too much. You think he could make the transition to 3-4 olb easily? Wouldn't mind getting a good OLB prospect for a bargain as long as the media doesn't turn it into such a big thing. No doubt the Rooney's wouldn't have a problem trail blazing for that sort of thing and they have the leadership for it in the locker room.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 15:49:24 GMT -5
saskabronco As far as your take on my friend not knowing his feelings when he was younger and just going with what was accepted, I disagree. If you had known him like I did for thirty plus years I think you may think differently. He most definitely like girls and not boys. If not he deserves an academy award. He even said he never had gay feelings before. You know your friends and I don't, so it wouldn't be right of me to try and tell you otherwise. The thing that I am thinking on this is that maybe they aren't born gay, but that doesn't mean they chose to be gay and that is still a big difference. Out of curiosity, were your friends excited when they became gay? It sounds like it wasn't a great experience for either of them. I think there is still something internal and beyond their control that pushed them to be gay, not that they were just like, "You know what, I want to ditch my family and start banging dudes now." I don't know if I am making sense, my point is just that the people condemning homosexuality seem to think it is a choice to be gay and I don't think that is the case. That would mean that if I wanted, I could choose to go and do that if I wanted to right now and that is not the case. I love my fiance with all my heart and I am attracted to women, not men. I don't see how I could decide to start finding the male body sexually attractive. My one friend who died, I don't know if he was excited or not. I lost track of him after high school. I only know he was gay and died because we have mutual friends. My other friend, was he excited? I don't know. I will ask him. I know his wife was not thrilled. . I don't know if his kids know. More on his story. Marlene reads the junk magazines. She found an article about some Parkinsons med that some guy claims turned him gay. Real story or not who knows, but she gave it to Tom. He read it and said "Hey that's the meds I take". It was about a month later that he approched me. Was it the meds? Was the article a way for him to come out a little safer? I don't know. Interesting huh. Remember I said my mom says they are born that way, and I said "I'm not so sure" And that means I'm not sure. Coincidentally shes reading one of those mags right now. And she just said "Liberace's lover has advanced annal cancer" She does not know what we are talking about on here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 15:52:23 GMT -5
Most people were saying late second or early third round. Hopefully he doesn't fall too much. You think he could make the transition to 3-4 olb easily? Wouldn't mind getting a good OLB prospect for a bargain as long as the media doesn't turn it into such a big thing. No doubt the Rooney's wouldn't have a problem trail blazing for that sort of thing and they have the leadership for it in the locker room. I think that will be the thing. If the owner and GM think it will divide the locker room they will not take him at all. If they don't think it will they may get a deal.
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Post by steeldevil on Feb 10, 2014 15:56:11 GMT -5
Most people were saying late second or early third round. Hopefully he doesn't fall too much. You think he could make the transition to 3-4 olb easily? Wouldn't mind getting a good OLB prospect for a bargain as long as the media doesn't turn it into such a big thing. No doubt the Rooney's wouldn't have a problem trail blazing for that sort of thing and they have the leadership for it in the locker room. You know the first thing I thought about when I thought about the Steelers getting him late? That would basically all but seal us being on Hard Knocks.... Lame...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 16:42:43 GMT -5
Alright, alright. I'm going to say what I want to say now.
I would like to start off by saying that I have 0% sensitivity for gays. I do not care for them either way. They wanted to be treated normal? Well, the cold hard truth is that it's not normal to be gay, and it never will be. Why? Because if that were true, then men would've been given a penis AND a vagina. Two men cannot naturally reproduce and were not designed to do so. So we can even take religion out of this and just look at how the human body functions. Men were designed to mate with women. Not other men.
So again, I have 0% sensitivity for gays. They choose their own path. If they want to be gay, fine, no problem by me, but don't expect to ever be treated normal and fairly by everybody. This isn't the same as racism. It's totally different. Black skin is a natural occurrence. Taking it up the ass is a whole nother' story.
Gays don't bother me AT ALL, again, as long as they don't try to shove their beliefs down my throat. Just do your thing.
You know what bothers me though? The media force-feeding/brainwashing the public on how we should perceive homosexuality. I am smart enough to make up my own mind on how I feel about it.
But what's going to bother me most, is when the liberals will come out of the woodworks when Michael Sam isn't drafted as high as they claim he should have. I guarantee you if it happens, there is going to be all this annoying shit that I DO NOT want to be force-fed from the liberal gay rights activists.
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Post by danb6177 on Feb 10, 2014 16:46:49 GMT -5
I gotta disagree a bit here. I realize that when I say something agains todays views of society it considered hate speech. But I dont hate ..anyway sue me. I dont see a person in sports coming "out of the closet" as anything but normal for our society. I definitely don't see his stock going down. I for sure dont see it as courageous or at least no more courageous than a player who disagrees with it-that persons stock will go down. Its not like homosexuality is an uncommon thing anymore. Without the media and forums nobody would even talk about it outside of a church. ...How is it not courageous for Sam to do what he did? Tons of people struggle with coming out. Tons of people feel like they will be ridiculed or ostracized for it. Being able to come out, especially in one of the (if not THE) most hetero-macho sport, could help so many other people in so many ways. With a couple of sentences Sam's life has changed. His mere existence as a gay football player is controversial now. Sam knew the effects this would have on him, and he still didn't care. That's very courageous. Homosexuality isn't that uncommon anymore, you're right, but it's still frowned upon by most of society and tons of gay people still (and might not ever) come out for that reason alone. You make it sound like he comes out and everyone throws eggs at em. Its just not like that. He will be praised by most and ostracized by few. Homosexuality is a common thing. Everywhere you look you can see it. Media-sitcoms-restaurants theaters. And football can be next. The man will not be harassed by any players because they know full well the repercussions.
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