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Post by Jindred on Nov 8, 2012 23:42:04 GMT -5
I think chance should also be considered into abortion and by that, I mean the chance the child will actually have a comfortable life. Should we really force birth on a child for them to only live in hunger and poverty for so many years? That is why I support free abortions for low income families. Middle class and rich people...pay for that shit yourself. See this is where this specific topic drives me nuts.. Its not just black and white, there are so many angles and different scenarios and each one has to be handled differently. And there in lies the confusion.. I don't like the whole idea of ending a life before it even starts but there are some circumstances in which it isn't fair. Even giving up a child for adoption is that fair? What sort of mental hardships will that child go through? will it fuck it up for life? like how can a person determine which is right or wrong? Is it worse for a child to grow up unloved, or confused about why its parents gave it up? or is it better to end its life before it even starts?
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Post by Jancey on Nov 8, 2012 23:44:06 GMT -5
well..... it will definitely be hard for her, which is a HUGE understatement...and I can see where people come from when they bring up "well what if she was raped" but the child is still a child.... and why should he/she have to die for it. I would go more in detail answering this but I would have to get into a religious thing..which again, I won't do. Because that child will remind her of the rapist, for one thing.. And the raped women may get into serious economic trouble by keeping the child. Children require a lot of things like clothes, food, entertainment (toys) and you also have to pay child support. The raped women could be barely scraping by as it is with no child, it would just put her off the deep end having to invest time and money in that child, which could very well lead to severe poverty and/or homelessness. I'm not saying she has to keep the child. If she was raped and she doesn't want to keep him, then I would say putting him up for adoption is the best thing to do
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Post by awesomeace on Nov 8, 2012 23:44:19 GMT -5
The trauma from that happening is bad enough and changes the person forever, but to remind that person for the next 9 months what happened so the child of a rapist can be born? I understand where everyone is coming from on this...I really do. And I know that it would be terrible for her to go through...but 9 months vs a whole life you're ending...see what I'm sayin? forcing someone to live their nightmare over and over again for 9 months? Screw it, I would want to get away from anything and everything that reminded me of that nightmare ASAP
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Post by Jancey on Nov 8, 2012 23:46:22 GMT -5
I think chance should also be considered into abortion and by that, I mean the chance the child will actually have a comfortable life. Should we really force birth on a child for them to only live in hunger and poverty for so many years? That is why I support free abortions for low income families. Middle class and rich people...pay for that shit yourself. Sooo just because they're poor, they should be allowed to end the life of the baby? If they can't support a child, then don't get pregnant...simple as that.
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Post by Jancey on Nov 8, 2012 23:50:16 GMT -5
@ace: I remember reading somewhere that you said you assumed I'm against the death penalty. And no I'm not. I'm for it
And before you start saying well so it's ok to kill them but not an unborn child...The men (or women) who should be receiving the death penalty did what they did...whatever it was, if it was severe enough...then yes I think he should be put to death. The child shouldn't be killed because what did that child do? We are killing him for someone else's mistakes!
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Post by sean2457 on Nov 8, 2012 23:50:38 GMT -5
I think chance should also be considered into abortion and by that, I mean the chance the child will actually have a comfortable life. Should we really force birth on a child for them to only live in hunger and poverty for so many years? That is why I support free abortions for low income families. Middle class and rich people...pay for that shit yourself. Sooo just because they're poor, they should be allowed to end the life of the baby? If they can't support a child, then don't get pregnant...simple as that. I think you underestimate the will power of people to resist sex my friend. Some people can't really afford birth control but the real truth is that majority of the population isn't all that smart in the first place. If there was some way to see how often a successful person rises from the life of growing up in poverty and contributes strongly to society, I could give you a sure fire answer on this topic. Like Jindred said, there are so many angles on this topic past whether it's murder or not. I do find as technology improves in our society, the more mankind will play God and that is the path we are heading every day.
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Post by awesomeace on Nov 8, 2012 23:50:46 GMT -5
I think chance should also be considered into abortion and by that, I mean the chance the child will actually have a comfortable life. Should we really force birth on a child for them to only live in hunger and poverty for so many years? That is why I support free abortions for low income families. Middle class and rich people...pay for that shit yourself. Sooo just because they're poor, they should be allowed to end the life of the baby? If they can't support a child, then don't get pregnant...simple as that. The condom broke... You seem against it no matter what the situation is. it's not a baby, it's an embryo. By the time you usually find out you are pregnant it's still an embryo
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Post by awesomeace on Nov 8, 2012 23:51:58 GMT -5
Sooo just because they're poor, they should be allowed to end the life of the baby? If they can't support a child, then don't get pregnant...simple as that. I think you underestimate the will power of people to resist sex my friend. Some people can't really afford birth control but the real truth is that majority of the population isn't all that smart in the first place. If there was some way to see how often a successful person rises from the life of growing up in poverty and contributes strongly to society, I could give you a sure fire answer on this topic. Like Jindred said, there are so many angles on this topic past whether it's murder or not. I do find as technology improves in our society, the more mankind will play God and that is the path we are heading every day. this is starting to sound like Battlestar Galactica and the day the humans build the droids
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Post by Jancey on Nov 8, 2012 23:54:37 GMT -5
I understand where everyone is coming from on this...I really do. And I know that it would be terrible for her to go through...but 9 months vs a whole life you're ending...see what I'm sayin? forcing someone to live their nightmare over and over again for 9 months? Screw it, I would want to get away from anything and everything that reminded me of that nightmare ASAP They're gonna be reliving it over and over regardless for a while...probably forever. It won't ever leave them, and yes I DO understand that having that pregnant belly and everything will be terrible on them. And it will keep on reminding them of what happened...but Dont kill the child for it!
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Post by awesomeace on Nov 8, 2012 23:56:29 GMT -5
@ace: I remember reading somewhere that you said you assumed I'm against the death penalty. And no I'm not. I'm for it And before you start saying well so it's ok to kill them but not an unborn child...The men (or women) who should be receiving the death penalty did what they did...whatever it was, if it was severe enough...then yes I think he should be put to death. The child shouldn't be killed because what did that child do? We are killing him for someone else's mistakes! For Death Penalty For Killing Animals Against Abortions Is that really pro-life? seems like anti-life. The animal shouldn't be killed because what did the animal do? We are killing the animal because we can... and it has no soul which makes it ok How does an embryo have a soul?
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