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Post by craig440 on Apr 21, 2016 0:02:38 GMT -5
That is exactly what I am saying bonehead Saska. I am so miss understood in these conversations and the instant confrontation is amazing. Did you read my post before the video? If you didn't I understand you. If you did you lack comprehension. It has been fun baiting and watching you guys. I did read what you wrote. You said I'm not saying this is true, but then followed it up with the ominous "but it is pretty weird that..." That's the problem. You spread these lies, act like they could be true but then distance yourself from having to stand behind what you post. What you are doing is just a cowards way of bitching about Obama. If you hate him and believe this crap to be true, share it and stand behind it. If you don't believe it's true, just don't post it. I think if anyone's misunderstanding anything, you're misunderstanding what it is that you're actually doing. What you're doing right now is being the new Jeff and it's sad. That is such a left wing, closed minded statement, I can hardly believe it. I did say its weird. You don't think any of that is weird? Are you blind? And I did not bitch about anything. You are the worst liberalist I have encountered. You probably think Michael Moore is right to deny his movie in North Carolina. Due to the law that lets bakers not make cakes for gay marriages. Do you not see the irony in that? Moore is allowed to with hold his services for something he believes is wrong. But what he believes is wrong is not allowed to withhold their service. That is totally hypocritical. It must be nice for Moore to have his rights but no one else can. es
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Post by saskabronco on Apr 21, 2016 5:17:52 GMT -5
I did read what you wrote. You said I'm not saying this is true, but then followed it up with the ominous "but it is pretty weird that..." That's the problem. You spread these lies, act like they could be true but then distance yourself from having to stand behind what you post. What you are doing is just a cowards way of bitching about Obama. If you hate him and believe this crap to be true, share it and stand behind it. If you don't believe it's true, just don't post it. I think if anyone's misunderstanding anything, you're misunderstanding what it is that you're actually doing. What you're doing right now is being the new Jeff and it's sad. That is such a left wing, closed minded statement, I can hardly believe it. I did say its weird. You don't think any of that is weird? Are you blind? And I did not bitch about anything. You are the worst liberalist I have encountered. You probably think Michael Moore is right to deny his movie in North Carolina. Due to the law that lets bakers not make cakes for gay marriages. Do you not see the irony in that? Moore is allowed to with hold his services for something he believes is wrong. But what he believes is wrong is not allowed to withhold their service. That is totally hypocritical. It must be nice for Moore to have his rights but no one else can. I sure do think Moore is right to do that. The difference that you apparently can't see is that Moore is withholding his movie (just like Springsteen and Bryan Adams withheld their concerts) from everyone there, not just gays, not just straights, not just Christians. No one is making a law to single out anyone, and seeing a movie or going to a concert is a privilege. The laws they are protesting are infringing on specific group's basic human rights to service. The cake thing is a minor example, but those same laws pave the way for a nurse to refuse service based on religious beliefs, which could mean life or death for a patient. Cancelling a show in a state is the best way for celebrities who want to help make change to actually help make change.
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Post by craig440 on Apr 21, 2016 10:55:03 GMT -5
That is such a left wing, closed minded statement, I can hardly believe it. I did say its weird. You don't think any of that is weird? Are you blind? And I did not bitch about anything. You are the worst liberalist I have encountered. You probably think Michael Moore is right to deny his movie in North Carolina. Due to the law that lets bakers not make cakes for gay marriages. Do you not see the irony in that? Moore is allowed to with hold his services for something he believes is wrong. But what he believes is wrong is not allowed to withhold their service. That is totally hypocritical. It must be nice for Moore to have his rights but no one else can. I sure do think Moore is right to do that. The difference that you apparently can't see is that Moore is withholding his movie (just like Springsteen and Bryan Adams withheld their concerts) from everyone there, not just gays, not just straights, not just Christians. No one is making a law to single out anyone, and seeing a movie or going to a concert is a privilege. The laws they are protesting are infringing on specific group's basic human rights to service. The cake thing is a minor example, but those same laws pave the way for a nurse to refuse service based on religious beliefs, which could mean life or death for a patient. Cancelling a show in a state is the best way for celebrities who want to help make change to actually help make change. He is withholding to a minority group. Those people are only a fraction of the population. He is allowing something to everyone except North Carolinians. There are many other states ya know. So his agenda is no different than the baker. There are other bakers. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I can refuse service to anyone, and I often have. If I don't like you because you an asshole, I can't be forced to take care of your pool. By the way, the gay and lesbian clients I have are my favorite. They are very nice and keep their yard nice. I wish all my customers were like them. Your nurse thing is a good point. I will have to think about that. I do believe they take an oath. Not sure.
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Apr 21, 2016 11:28:38 GMT -5
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Post by Jindred on Apr 21, 2016 11:28:38 GMT -5
I sure do think Moore is right to do that. The difference that you apparently can't see is that Moore is withholding his movie (just like Springsteen and Bryan Adams withheld their concerts) from everyone there, not just gays, not just straights, not just Christians. No one is making a law to single out anyone, and seeing a movie or going to a concert is a privilege. The laws they are protesting are infringing on specific group's basic human rights to service. The cake thing is a minor example, but those same laws pave the way for a nurse to refuse service based on religious beliefs, which could mean life or death for a patient. Cancelling a show in a state is the best way for celebrities who want to help make change to actually help make change. He is withholding to a minority group. Those people are only a fraction of the population. He is allowing something to everyone except North Carolinians. There are many other states ya know. So his agenda is no different than the baker. There are other bakers. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I can refuse service to anyone, and I often have. If I don't like you because you an asshole, I can't be forced to take care of your pool. By the way, the gay and lesbian clients I have are my favorite. They are very nice and keep their yard nice. I wish all my customers were like them. Your nurse thing is a good point. I will have to think about that. I do believe they take an oath. Not sure. To pick and choose your clientelemail based on whether the guy is an asshole or not is a totally different thing than picking and choosing based on whether or not they are gay. Its no different then when businesses would refuse to serve black customers back in the day. It's discrimination when you single out a group of people. A person treats you poorly it's your right to decline service to him. Or if the environment is unsafe. But when you pick and choose based on skin color, gender, sexual orientation, or just the way you look that's a problem. Hell even discrimination based on a person's religion isn't right. This law is made to prop up Christian beliefs but it opens a whole can of worms elsewhere. What happens when a Muslim refuses a Christian man service because being Christian is against his religion? Or when an Atheist declines service to anyone religious because it's against what they believe? What about Christians declining Muslims? Where does the law end? You're point about Moore being a hypocrite made me think a moment, as on the surface the idea of him withholding his movie does look similar to the cake theory you us. the more I thought the more I realized they weren't alike. Moore is protesting a law made by the government not discriminating against a group of people. Also do you really think people care about Michael Moore withholding one of his shitty bias movies, especially in the south? Lol.
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Apr 21, 2016 12:13:18 GMT -5
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Post by Jancey on Apr 21, 2016 12:13:18 GMT -5
Since when is being serviced a RIGHT? I'm all for defending rights for all, you know that. But you think you're fighting for rights, when you're actually fighting against them. I think a bakery owner can choose to serve or not to serve whoever they want for whatever reason. It's their bakery. I have no RIGHT to be served by them. Neither do you. If they didn't want to make me a cake because I'm Christian? So what. I don't want their cake anyway. Since when is it okay to tell people what they can and can't do with their own business?
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Post by saskabronco on Apr 21, 2016 12:19:18 GMT -5
Since when is being serviced a RIGHT? I'm all for defending rights for all, you know that. But you think you're fighting for rights, when you're actually fighting against them. I think a bakery owner can choose to serve or not to serve whoever they want for whatever reason. It's their bakery. I have no RIGHT to be served by them. Neither do you. If they didn't want to make me a cake because I'm Christian? So what. I don't want their cake anyway. Since when is it okay to tell people what they can and can't do with their own business? As I said, these laws talk about the minor issues like baking cakes, but the real issues are when people refuse service for more important things like health care or police protection. I don't care about the cakes, but I don't want to set the precedent where someone dies or is seriously hurt because some asshole doesn't like color of your skin, type of genetalia you have or with whom you have sex...
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Apr 21, 2016 12:23:09 GMT -5
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Post by Jancey on Apr 21, 2016 12:23:09 GMT -5
And the Michael Moore comparison is actually a good one. Because it comes back to the same principle. It's his movie. He can withhold it from whoever he wants to. They're withholding for different reasons, sure. But it comes back to the same principle.
I would like to say though, I think the whole "bakers should be allowed to refuse service to gays" because of "religious freedom" is really silly. It has nothing to do with religious freedom. It just has to do with freedom.
I hadn't actually heard about this yet, so let me confirm: this is about a law that allows NC people to refuse service to gays if they so choose? Right? If not, I must sound pretty dumb right now.
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Apr 21, 2016 12:28:31 GMT -5
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Post by Jancey on Apr 21, 2016 12:28:31 GMT -5
Since when is being serviced a RIGHT? I'm all for defending rights for all, you know that. But you think you're fighting for rights, when you're actually fighting against them. I think a bakery owner can choose to serve or not to serve whoever they want for whatever reason. It's their bakery. I have no RIGHT to be served by them. Neither do you. If they didn't want to make me a cake because I'm Christian? So what. I don't want their cake anyway. Since when is it okay to tell people what they can and can't do with their own business? As I said, these laws talk about the minor issues like baking cakes, but the real issues are when people refuse service for more important things like health care or police protection. I don't care about the cakes, but I don't want to set the precedent where someone dies or is seriously hurt because some asshole doesn't like color of your skin, type of genetalia you have or with whom you have sex... Even so, being serviced isn't a right. Hospitals are governmentally (is that a word?) run. So are police stations. A police officer or doctor can't not treat or help someone under the law for whatever reason. And rightfully so.
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Apr 21, 2016 13:22:46 GMT -5
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Post by TonOdanK on Apr 21, 2016 13:22:46 GMT -5
Since when is being serviced a RIGHT? I'm all for defending rights for all, you know that. But you think you're fighting for rights, when you're actually fighting against them. I think a bakery owner can choose to serve or not to serve whoever they want for whatever reason. It's their bakery. I have no RIGHT to be served by them. Neither do you. If they didn't want to make me a cake because I'm Christian? So what. I don't want their cake anyway. Since when is it okay to tell people what they can and can't do with their own business? I agree with this. But if companies are going to reserve the right to refuse service they need to have signs that state specifically who they are refusing service to. As many of you know I am gay but I don't look or act like the stereotypical gay person and I would like to know if a company discriminates against people like me. Like jancey said, if they don't like me for who I am then I don't want their product and I definitely didn't want to give them my money. That's why I don't shop at target, eat chick-fil-a, etc. Which kind of sucks because even though chick-fil-a is owned by a homophobic bastard, they make a damn good chicken sandwich
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Apr 21, 2016 13:58:39 GMT -5
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Post by Jancey on Apr 21, 2016 13:58:39 GMT -5
Since when is being serviced a RIGHT? I'm all for defending rights for all, you know that. But you think you're fighting for rights, when you're actually fighting against them. I think a bakery owner can choose to serve or not to serve whoever they want for whatever reason. It's their bakery. I have no RIGHT to be served by them. Neither do you. If they didn't want to make me a cake because I'm Christian? So what. I don't want their cake anyway. Since when is it okay to tell people what they can and can't do with their own business? I agree with this. But if companies are going to reserve the right to refuse service they need to have signs that state specifically who they are refusing service to. As many of you know I am gay but I don't look or act like the stereotypical gay person and I would like to know if a company discriminates against people like me. Like jancey said, if they don't like me for who I am then I don't want their product and I definitely didn't want to give them my money. That's why I don't shop at target, eat chick-fil-a, etc. Which kind of sucks because even though chick-fil-a is owned by a homophobic bastard, they make a damn good chicken sandwich I wouldn't make it through college without Chick-fil-A..like seriously I eat there at least once a day.
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