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Post by craig440 on Apr 18, 2016 16:51:35 GMT -5
I read this on face book and instantly thought of this site. Over the past several days, I've seen an uptick in Facebook posts declaring that they were "unfriending" people over differences of opinion or dislike of tone, or proclaiming a controversial opinion and then immediately shutting the door on conversation, saying "Unfriend me if you wish." What a sad use of politics, and what a degraded notion of "friendship." You may disagree with me - in fact, you probably do, about something - but you're almost certainly still okay in my book. (And if you're not, well, you're not reading this.) I was reminded of a beautiful letter Jefferson wrote, from which one sentence is often quoted: "I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend." The whole letter is actually beautiful (whatever one's personal opinion about Mr. Jefferson himself). Being your friend is not a requirement to be your Facebook friend. No I don't really read the conspiracy stuff. Why did Obama do it on purpose? What did he do to do it? Russia is the only country able to cripple us? Cripple us how? Financially? Blowing up our cities? I'm confused what you meant. It's not a requirement on here either. There is a whole culture of people who believe he hates America and is trying to destroy it from within. (I'm not one of them but I do listen to some of their stuff) Blow up cities. I'm trying to do better at answering questions. How am I doing?
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Post by Morkim on Apr 18, 2016 16:58:37 GMT -5
Being your friend is not a requirement to be your Facebook friend. No I don't really read the conspiracy stuff. Why did Obama do it on purpose? What did he do to do it? Russia is the only country able to cripple us? Cripple us how? Financially? Blowing up our cities? I'm confused what you meant. It's not a requirement on here either. There is a whole culture of people who believe he hates America and is trying to destroy it from within. (I'm not one of them but I do listen to some of their stuff) Blow up cities. I'm trying to do better at answering questions. How am I doing? Yeah, I mean. It's not required here either. I'm just saying, I don't see a big deal with people unfriending people on Facebook that are saying things they don't wanna hear. Because odds are they aren't really friends anyway. If your actual friendship is ending because of politics. Well you need to have a real heart to heart with yourself and that friend. Your post I originally replied too made it seem like you were one of those people... Since it looked like you said Obama did it on purpose. Still not exactly sure how or what he did on purpose. Oh. I think lots of countries are capable of blowing up our cities. I doubt Russia is the only one capable. What do you think they're gonna do, nuke Alaska before we can get anyone to stop it up there? They don't have any easier of a time blowing us up than a China or Korea would. lol Alaska. You're replying ok to me. thx buddy.
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Post by craig440 on Apr 18, 2016 17:08:39 GMT -5
They could have attacked our ship the other day. They flew within thirty feet. The Iranians took one of our ships hostage and showed video of the sailors on their knees with hands on head. We show weakness. That is what the show I was watching was pointing out. And it was not just fox news lies. It was facts from the last seven years.
Other things.
Obama gave back five top ranked Al Quada guys for one deserter. Those five are back attacking people and our military's moral is deflated. If you get a chance watch it. "Rising threats, shrinking military"
There are several "Muslim Brotherhood" dudes been appointed to homeland security. They have access to classified stuff.
Iran is not and won't go along with the deal, and we all know that.
Other stuff Also.
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Post by Morkim on Apr 18, 2016 17:14:46 GMT -5
They could have attacked our ship the other day. They flew within thirty feet. The Iranians took one of our ships hostage and showed video of the sailors on their knees with hands on head. We show weakness. That is what the show I was watching was pointing out. And it was not just fox news lies. It was facts from the last seven years. Other things. Obama gave back five top ranked Al Quada guys for one deserter. Those five are back attacking people and our military's moral is deflated. If you get a chance watch it. "Rising threats, shrinking military" There are several "Muslim Brotherhood" dudes been appointed to homeland security. They have access to classified stuff. Iran is not and won't go along with the deal, and we all know that. Other stuff Also. So taking a ship hostage is not the same as crippling us. Or blowing up cities. or whatever. idk much about the stuff you've said here. But if Obama exchanged prisoners, I guess you would have let the American die? oh, So he's letting Muslims on the inside info. That's what he's doing on purpose. ok.
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Post by craig440 on Apr 18, 2016 17:55:23 GMT -5
They could have attacked our ship the other day. They flew within thirty feet. The Iranians took one of our ships hostage and showed video of the sailors on their knees with hands on head. We show weakness. That is what the show I was watching was pointing out. And it was not just fox news lies. It was facts from the last seven years. Other things. Obama gave back five top ranked Al Quada guys for one deserter. Those five are back attacking people and our military's moral is deflated. If you get a chance watch it. "Rising threats, shrinking military" There are several "Muslim Brotherhood" dudes been appointed to homeland security. They have access to classified stuff. Iran is not and won't go along with the deal, and we all know that. Other stuff Also. So taking a ship hostage is not the same as crippling us. Or blowing up cities. or whatever. What? idk much about the stuff you've said here. But if Obama exchanged prisoners, I guess you would have let the American die? I guess you don't know the story. He abandoned his unit. He lived there for five years, some say he had a wife. Six guys were killed trying to find him. Once he got back, he was court marshaled. oh, So he's letting Muslims on the inside info. That's what he's doing on purpose. ok. That's the rumor. Like I said I'm not on board with all this stuff. I'm just reporting to you what lots of people say.
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Post by Morkim on Apr 18, 2016 18:54:18 GMT -5
So taking a ship hostage is not the same as crippling us. Or blowing up cities. or whatever. What? idk much about the stuff you've said here. But if Obama exchanged prisoners, I guess you would have let the American die? I guess you don't know the story. He abandoned his unit. He lived there for five years, some say he had a wife. Six guys were killed trying to find him. Once he got back, he was court marshaled. oh, So he's letting Muslims on the inside info. That's what he's doing on purpose. ok. That's the rumor. Like I said I'm not on board with all this stuff. I'm just reporting to you what lots of people say.
You said stuff about Russia being the most dangerous and whatnot. And then mentioned they could have attacked our ship? Atleast I thought you meant Russia could have attacked our ship. Eitherway. Attacking our ship isn't the same as being the most dangerous. I don't know the story or the guy. I don't know how accurate the stuff you're saying is. So basically you'd let the American die. haha Okay. That's what they're saying. I gotcha.
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Post by craig440 on Apr 18, 2016 19:02:10 GMT -5
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Post by Morkim on Apr 18, 2016 19:18:45 GMT -5
Not going to read all of those in depth. But what I've seen is that we're not really sure right? You said stuff like he lived there for 5 years might have had a wife, but he claims he tried to escape 12 times and stuff like that... Either way. You would have let the guy die? You think that's ok? :/
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Post by craig440 on Apr 18, 2016 19:40:48 GMT -5
I got the trader part from listening to his fellow troop mates that were there. Lots of info points to his training the Taliban how to attack convoys. And that he had converted to Islam and was a taliban sypathizer. His escape attempts are just his words. If you get a chance to listen to the men who where there, you will see that they know more than us. And Obama releasing five taliban big wigs without congress approval is illegal.
So do I want the guy to die? No. But six or eight other guys died trying to find him after he walked away and went to the other side. It's a story that we probably will never know the whole truth.
It used to be we did not negotiate with terrorists. Obama not only does that, he does it poorly. It only entices them.
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Post by saskabronco on Apr 18, 2016 20:27:33 GMT -5
I got the trader part from listening to his fellow troop mates that were there. Lots of info points to his training the Taliban how to attack convoys. And that he had converted to Islam and was a taliban sypathizer. His escape attempts are just his words. If you get a chance to listen to the men who where there, you will see that they know more than us. And Obama releasing five taliban big wigs without congress approval is illegal. So do I want the guy to die? No. But six or eight other guys died trying to find him after he walked away and went to the other side. It's a story that we probably will never know the whole truth. It used to be we did not negotiate with terrorists. Obama not only does that, he does it poorly. It only entices them. US has negotiated with terrorists for a while now. Reagan did it by giving high powered missiles over to Iran in exchange for prisoners. It's happened many other times in American history as well ( See here). The problem with all the quotes you keep giving and sites you keep linking to is that they all seem to aim to tear down Obama. He has faults, but people keep acting like he's doing all of these terrible things that no other president has done before. He's not any worse than most of the past presidents and he's waaaay better than many (GWB, as a recent example). Being diplomatic is not weakness. Charging head first into an unjust war is not strength. As long as people keep making that mistake in judgement, America is going to have real problems. With Bergdhal, there is a lot of mystery around his situation, but I would be proud to know my leader valued the life of a fellow countryman like that, especially given that at the time of the decision, very little definitive information was known about the man. Better to save him and find out that he did somethings wrong and punish him for it here, rather than let him die and then find out he did nothing wrong. The guys America was holding hostage we're there without due process as well. Guantanamo Bay is illegal. They are holding prisoners who have never been tried or faced fair judgement. We know they were doing illegal things to them, thanks to the reports about torture that came out a few years ago. Those guys couldn't stay locked up unjustly and inhumanely forever, so why not get an American life back in the process. The stuff linking Obama to the Muslim Brother is just unfounded garbage. He's done more good for your country than most presidents. If he is tied to the MB somehow, you should thank them for helping to save your country as well.
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