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Post by Divebitch on Mar 22, 2016 15:16:15 GMT -5
This type of thinking is bad. It's also pretty contradictory.. First you say "no one's blaming all Muslims" (which IS false, btw, there are a ton of people who love to paint all Muslims with the same brush when things like this happen), and then not even three sentences later you say "If [the good Muslims] have to suffer the consequences of terrorists from their homeland that pose a serious threat to our every sector of country and economy, so be it."... "Too bad" for them. ...What? That is literally saying in a roundabout way that it's totally okay for people to blame all Muslims. Also, lol, Muslim terrorists don't pose a "serious" threat to our "every sector of country and economy". Donald Trump becoming POTUS is what would be a cause for alarm there, if anything (but that's beside the point right now..). Muslim terrorist attacks rarely happen in America. The fear mongering that happens with regards to Muslim terrorists attacking America is ridiculous, at least in the sense that if you look at every single one of the terrorist attacks America suffers, Muslim extremist attacks only take up a miniscule percent of that. I posted this article a while back in response to something Craig said, but it's very applicable to this discussion as well. Give it a read, Dive. www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.htmlOkay, what i really meant was " I'M not blaming all Muslims". Surely some are, granted. When I say 'some have to suffer', I don't mean torture. Those from certain countries just can't continue to come here the same as citizens from other countries. It's hardly a failsafe method of course. TBH, religious beliefs should play no part. Anyone can lie about that anyway. What is a "POTUS"? That article, it's got as many holes as Swiss Loraine cheese. It mentions nothing of the extent of the damage, just counts individuals who commit crimes, and that just for starters. Do you think blowing up the World Trade Centers is the same as a Swastika on someone's lawn? I have no time for that, the writer is an idiot. For others here, knew I'd hit a nerve with the 'young' comment. My bad. Just think that sometimes there is a lot of idealism in the face of a harsher reality. It's not a bad thing. We need a positive outlook to affect change. Guess I'm just getting jaded faster and faster these days. |
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Post by craig440 on Mar 22, 2016 15:16:31 GMT -5
Funny how people hear things different. Some hear he wants to kill their whole family and extended family. I heard him say the family members that know there will be an attack and don't say anything need to be held accountable. They are accomplices. I agree with that. If my GF is going to blow up the Charger locker and I don't try and stop her I'm just as guilty.
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Post by 101mitch on Mar 22, 2016 15:26:17 GMT -5
This type of thinking is bad. It's also pretty contradictory.. First you say "no one's blaming all Muslims" (which IS false, btw, there are a ton of people who love to paint all Muslims with the same brush when things like this happen), and then not even three sentences later you say "If [the good Muslims] have to suffer the consequences of terrorists from their homeland that pose a serious threat to our every sector of country and economy, so be it."... "Too bad" for them. ...What? That is literally saying in a roundabout way that it's totally okay for people to blame all Muslims. Also, lol, Muslim terrorists don't pose a "serious" threat to our "every sector of country and economy". Donald Trump becoming POTUS is what would be a cause for alarm there, if anything (but that's beside the point right now..). Muslim terrorist attacks rarely happen in America. The fear mongering that happens with regards to Muslim terrorists attacking America is ridiculous, at least in the sense that if you look at every single one of the terrorist attacks America suffers, Muslim extremist attacks only take up a miniscule percent of that. I posted this article a while back in response to something Craig said, but it's very applicable to this discussion as well. Give it a read, Dive. www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.htmlOkay, what i really meant was " I'M not blaming all Muslims". Surely some are, granted. When I say 'some have to suffer', I don't mean torture. Those from certain countries just can't continue to come here the same as citizens from other countries. It's hardly a failsafe method of course. TBH, religious beliefs should play no part. Anyone can lie about that anyway. What is a "POTUS"? That article, it's got as many holes as Swiss Loraine cheese. It mentions nothing of the extent of the damage, just counts individuals who commit crimes, and that just for starters. Do you think blowing up the World Trade Centers is the same as a Swastika on someone's lawn? I have no time for that, the writer is an idiot. For others here, knew I'd hit a nerve with the 'young' comment. My bad. Just think that sometimes there is a lot of idealism in the face of a harsher reality. It's not a bad thing. We need a positive outlook to affect change. Guess I'm just getting jaded faster and faster these days. POTUS = President of the United States |
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Post by saskabronco on Mar 22, 2016 15:34:36 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, what did Trump say that makes him seem like a better option than Hilary? Did he repeat his "we're gonna do worse than waterboarding" comment, or explain how he's not only going to kill their families now, but also their extended families or close acquaintences as well? Why the hell would you think Trump would do anything helpful to deal with such an issue? He has no experience dealing with any such issues and he does not provide a damn thing to suggest what action he would actually take. All he says is crap like "I'd be the best at stopping ISIS." You think Hilary sounds naive? You just said you are considering crossing party lines because Hilary was too PC with her response. Thinking Trump is capable of doing anything more productive than Hilary with such an issue is far more naive, considering he has not done a single thing to actually show that he knows what he is doing in any way. Come on Dive... you're better than that.
Terror attacks are horrific attacks on a target meant to cause fear that leads to far greater damage to a far larger target. If Trump gets voted in as a result of more terrorist attacks, they are succeeding entirely at their goal. If you (anyone, not just Dive) think Trump should be president you're an idiot and you are helping the terrorist get what they want (an even more divided, hate-filled America).
Don't remember exactly what Trump said, it was early. But no, it wasn't about 'worse that waterboarding', or about killing anyone's family. Did he say that before? But ya know, I'm not a political animal. But in light of this situation, I don't think Trump needs to say exactly how he'd handle it. Our system doesn't work that way, nothing is done with a snap of a finger. All we have to go on is our beliefs in the truth of a candidate's convictions to 'do the right thing'. And correct, he has no history in the legislative realm. But if you wanna throw 'naive' out there, keep in mind that this idiot has all but secured the GOP (Republican party for Kanucks). Please understand this - I don't like him personally, and probably won't vote for him. Shocking to me that I'm not even sure. And there's no doubt in my mind that most people that will vote for him don't like him either. Just saying how I honestly think the country is feeling about this, and the primaries don't lie. Saying this has come at the worst time possible for the Democratic party, that I feel sure of. When it comes to Trump, only a crazy person would thing Trump has convictions to do the right thing. He says, on a regular basis, the things he wants to do and they are never the right thing. Build a wall to keep Mexicans out? Wrong thing. Ban Muslims from coming to America? Wrong thing. Bring back water boarding and worse? Wrong thing. Kill terrorist's families? Wrong thing. I could go on and on. And sorry to hound you on this issue but people like you are the scariest part of the election. We already know what the nut job far right wingers are going to do and their minds won't be swayed. The scary part is the centrists or left wingers are actually buying into his bullshit and considering giving him a vote. Even throwing your vote away is helping him in the long run. Don't let his scare tactics work on you. Ask yourself what has he ever said that suggests a hint of any plan for when he takes office? He has no platform in place. All he does is talk and talk about how great he is, but literally offers no evidence to back it up. Do not buy his crap. I would rather see Bush and Cheney come back before him, and they were awful. Do yourself a favor and watch John Oliver's thing on Trump. It exposes many of the lies he has been spreading and many of the faults in his campaign and his business career in general. He is hands down the worst option for president in many decades. |
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Post by saskabronco on Mar 22, 2016 15:42:23 GMT -5
Funny how people hear things different. Some hear he wants to kill their whole family and extended family. I heard him say the family members that know there will be an attack and don't say anything need to be held accountable. They are accomplices. I agree with that. If my GF is going to blow up the Charger locker and I don't try and stop her I'm just as guilty. Listen to this right to the end Craig. There is no debating what he meant. He says "you have to take out their families." The fact that there are several clips of him saying this same sentiment in different ways should be enough proof that he's fucking insane... |
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Post by Jindred on Mar 22, 2016 15:59:38 GMT -5
What happens when Putin or any other leader inevitably insults Trump and his giant ego?
Some guy made a comment about Trumps hands being small years ago. To this day Trump still has to reference his hands when speaking to bring light to the fact that they aren't in fact all that small. So what happens when he has an army at his command and someone like Putin insults him? Makes fun o his hands or hair? Does he take it in stride or does his giant ridiculous ego feel the need to compensate. You dont give power to insecure people.. he constantly has to bring light to how rich, and powerful he is. He makes reference to his penis size, his super hot wife and daughter constantly and he always talks about how greatand amazing everyone else thinks he is. He is so insecure it terrifies me to think of giving him the power of the presidency.
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Post by craig440 on Mar 22, 2016 16:12:53 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure your video saskabronco is cut off right after that statement on purpose. So you can't hear the rest. I have heard him say that several times and each time he talks of people who know what is going to happen. The refrigerator thing is kind of silly. If we could stop refrig's from killing people we would. So tell the families of the victims in France, Belgium, San Bernadino, etc that we should do nothing because of refrigerators. The hands thing was not said years ago. It was Rubio a day or so before Trump brought it up and I don't hear him talk about it constantly. Just once. But all of these people do repeat themselves a lot. |
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Post by MarchingOn on Mar 22, 2016 16:24:42 GMT -5
This type of thinking is bad. It's also pretty contradictory.. First you say "no one's blaming all Muslims" (which IS false, btw, there are a ton of people who love to paint all Muslims with the same brush when things like this happen), and then not even three sentences later you say "If [the good Muslims] have to suffer the consequences of terrorists from their homeland that pose a serious threat to our every sector of country and economy, so be it."... "Too bad" for them. ...What? That is literally saying in a roundabout way that it's totally okay for people to blame all Muslims. Also, lol, Muslim terrorists don't pose a "serious" threat to our "every sector of country and economy". Donald Trump becoming POTUS is what would be a cause for alarm there, if anything (but that's beside the point right now..). Muslim terrorist attacks rarely happen in America. The fear mongering that happens with regards to Muslim terrorists attacking America is ridiculous, at least in the sense that if you look at every single one of the terrorist attacks America suffers, Muslim extremist attacks only take up a miniscule percent of that. I posted this article a while back in response to something Craig said, but it's very applicable to this discussion as well. Give it a read, Dive. www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.htmlOkay, what i really meant was " I'M not blaming all Muslims". Surely some are, granted. When I say 'some have to suffer', I don't mean torture. Those from certain countries just can't continue to come here the same as citizens from other countries. It's hardly a failsafe method of course. TBH, religious beliefs should play no part. Anyone can lie about that anyway. What is a "POTUS"? That article, it's got as many holes as Swiss Loraine cheese. It mentions nothing of the extent of the damage, just counts individuals who commit crimes, and that just for starters. Do you think blowing up the World Trade Centers is the same as a Swastika on someone's lawn? I have no time for that, the writer is an idiot. For others here, knew I'd hit a nerve with the 'young' comment. My bad. Just think that sometimes there is a lot of idealism in the face of a harsher reality. It's not a bad thing. We need a positive outlook to affect change. Guess I'm just getting jaded faster and faster these days. I know what you meant by suffer. You didn't mean torture or anything drastic obviously, you meant that they have to deal with the media and the general population generalizing all Muslims in a really bad way. That's precisely the problem though; that shouldn't be happening and it shouldn't be allowed. Except he did mention extent. His article claims there have been 37 deaths due to Muslim terrorists in America since 9/11, per a UNC study in 2014. Not that that really matters anyways, because that's not what the article is truly trying to say imo. I also don't think it matters because the intent to commit terrorism is the core problem here. Carrying out terrorist acts is the result of the intent that the terrorist has. If you're trying to insinuate that Muslims cause more damage per terrorist, for whatever reason, I'd love to see you back that statement up. Because it seems to me like batshit Christians and right wingers are just as (if not more) dangerous to America than Muslim terrorists are. There are plenty of articles out there about this, like this one and this one. And yes, I do realize the 37 number that the UNC study found doesn't match up with the 26 number that the New America study found, and that could obviously be investigated further to try and figure out why the discrepancy. But that still doesn't change the fact that both studies are in agreement that Muslims have -NOT- killed more people through terrorist acts since 9/11 than right wingers/Christians have. This isn't a jab at Christians or Rep politics at all, I'm just trying to add some perspective. The point is that Muslims attacks, especially in America, are pretty far and few between, and the Islamophobia a lot of people have on top of the assumption that Muslims are way more likely to commit terrorism is misguided.. And "misguided" is me putting it nicely. |
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Post by Divebitch on Mar 22, 2016 17:18:28 GMT -5
When it comes to Trump, only a crazy person would thing Trump has convictions to do the right thing. He says, on a regular basis, the things he wants to do and they are never the right thing. Build a wall to keep Mexicans out? Wrong thing. Ban Muslims from coming to America? Wrong thing. Bring back water boarding and worse? Wrong thing. Kill terrorist's families? Wrong thing. I could go on and on. And sorry to hound you on this issue but people like you are the scariest part of the election. We already know what the nut job far right wingers are going to do and their minds won't be swayed. The scary part is the centrists or left wingers are actually buying into his bullshit and considering giving him a vote. Even throwing your vote away is helping him in the long run. Don't let his scare tactics work on you. Ask yourself what has he ever said that suggests a hint of any plan for when he takes office? He has no platform in place. All he does is talk and talk about how great he is, but literally offers no evidence to back it up. Do not buy his crap. I would rather see Bush and Cheney come back before him, and they were awful. Do yourself a favor and watch John Oliver's thing on Trump. It exposes many of the lies he has been spreading and many of the faults in his campaign and his business career in general. He is hands down the worst option for president in many decades. I actually deleted my text 'of course that [the right thing] can differ wildly depending on the individual'. Didn't wanna be too wordy, seems to irk some people. lol The 'wrong things'? I think you're wrong on at least 2. 'Throwing vote away helps him', what does that mean??? You're preaching to the choir. I can't stand Trump. He's an ignorant pig, sexist for sure, racist probably. My main gist seems to be missed here, mainly that if I, a dyed in the wool Democrat, can even considering voting for Trump, I can't be the only one. Read that twice, okay? Gonna repeat myself only 1 more time and I'm outta here. Brussels today came at the worse possible time. And it sure does make Americans, myself included, question whether we are doing enough to be safe. For myself, I was particularly very irked to hear the fwe brief comments from our President in Spanish. Vanilla, PC garbage, the reverberation to me was 'viva solidarity and world peace'. I DO NOT recall what he said, it surely wasn't that. But it was devoid of anger or anything truly upsetting. Yes, that is only my take, but that's what I took away, 'when in Roma/Cuba...'. Let's just say anything in Spanish and move right along. In his defense, the situation was probably awkward and untimely. Maybe things will be more clear soon. |
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Post by Divebitch on Mar 22, 2016 17:48:50 GMT -5
I know what you meant by suffer. You didn't mean torture or anything drastic obviously, you meant that they have to deal with the media and the general population generalizing all Muslims in a really bad way. That's precisely the problem though; that shouldn't be happening and it shouldn't be allowed. Except he did mention extent. His article claims there have been 37 deaths due to Muslim terrorists in America since 9/11, per a UNC study in 2014. Not that that really matters anyways, because that's not what the article is truly trying to say imo. I also don't think it matters because the intent to commit terrorism is the core problem here. Carrying out terrorist acts is the result of the intent that the terrorist has. If you're trying to insinuate that Muslims cause more damage per terrorist, for whatever reason, I'd love to see you back that statement up. Because it seems to me like batshit Christians and right wingers are just as (if not more) dangerous to America than Muslim terrorists are. There are plenty of articles out there about this, like this one and this one. And yes, I do realize the 37 number that the UNC study found doesn't match up with the 26 number that the New America study found, and that could obviously be investigated further to try and figure out why the discrepancy. But that still doesn't change the fact that both studies are in agreement that Muslims have -NOT- killed more people through terrorist acts since 9/11 than right wingers/Christians have. This isn't a jab at Christians or Rep politics at all, I'm just trying to add some perspective. The point is that Muslims attacks, especially in America, are pretty far and few between, and the Islamophobia a lot of people have on top of the assumption that Muslims are way more likely to commit terrorism is misguided.. And "misguided" is me putting it nicely. Okay last one, at least you're not being insulting. I didn't read your linked articles. But from the URL alone, seems both are talking about deaths on American soil. Let's add in Paris, and now Brussels in a relative short period of time. Wanna recalculate? It can happen here anytime. We have many cities with millions of people, and hundreds of thousands in concentrated areas any weekday. You wanna breathe a sigh of relief it didn't happen here, fine - not me. And for others who wanna talk about Israelis and Palestinians, they keep that over there, it's confined - not international terrorism, although many innocent lives may be casualties. |
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