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Post by Divebitch on Mar 22, 2016 9:22:38 GMT -5
And overnight, Trump is probably the frontrunner as our next President. Many Democrats, like myself, who may for the first time cross party lines.
Hillary just put the nail in her coffin a few minutes ago in a phone interview w/George Stefanopolis. "Solidarity w/our European allies, and NATO co-operation, strengthen our security, defenses at home" yada yada. She sounds naive, giving the PC canned speech. How can anyone not understand that Americans don't care about the 'rights' of emigrated or 'visiting' Muslims to be here more than they care about homeland security. The overwhelming majority are not citizens, not registered voters.
It's costing trillions of dollars to "strengthen our security and defenses" when all you gotta do is eradicate the problem for the most part. Turn on the news. Thousands of New York's finest on high-alert duty. They do not make minimum wage. I'd agree that Trump better be on the lookout for a bullet, but not from a Democrat or Republican. Maybe a bomb in Trump Tower right there in midtown Manhattan.
It's a totally different world today. Technology is just an additional aid for terrorism; but ISIS is using apps that make all communications disappear, not even into the cloud. 'Give us your tired, poor, hungry' doesn't work today. We're all that too. And this is not the land of opportunity it once was, even for women and minorities to a large extent. IDT most young people really understand this. Desperate times call for desperate measures. You can't keep spending trillions of our good hard-working citizens' dollars to protect the rights of immigrants from terrorist breeding nations - only to increase the likelihood of another Boston Marathon.
Obama live from Cuba now, paying lip service, some of it in Spanish. Isn't that fucking cute. Yet another measured, PC, vanilla response. His life is probably safe at this point, cuz he's almost out the door. Seriously, if it was 10 dead in Bumblefuck Kansas, he wouldn't have a response like that.
EDIT: Just showing a current clip from the airport, several towelheads in a crowd, all grinning. Played it back 3x - they're alone or not talking w/anyone.
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Post by Juggs on Mar 22, 2016 10:08:13 GMT -5
Way to blame Muslims just because you think these attackers were Muslims. How pathetic. The headgarments in the video are not turbans and they're commonly worn by Sikhs, not Muslims. My Muslim friends are no less deserving to live here as I am and it is intolerant and disgusting to think otherwise. People of all races, religions and ethnicities commit crimes like these. It is only xenophobia that would lead one to believe that Muslims are a problem and that they need to be eradicated. I'm praying for the direct victims and the Muslims and Sikhs who will be victimised by bigots in retribution, as happened after Paris and San Bernadino. I hope everyone here would join me and turn to love rather than fear in dark times like these.
Political correctness has become a buzzword and an excuse not to empathize with people who we can't relate to. When is the last time you heard the words politically correct used non-rhetorically or non-sarcastically? It is not wrong to rationally consider the circumstances before jumping to islamophobia. It isn't PC, it's the right thing to do.
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Post by Divebitch on Mar 22, 2016 11:28:03 GMT -5
I sure did see turbans. And no one's blaming all Muslims. But it was likely ISIS. Come on now, we all know what area of the world they are rooted from. If the few are making it bad for the good, law-abiding Muslims, too bad, but not my/our problem. If they have to suffer the consequences of terrorists from their homeland that pose a serious threat to our every sector of country and economy, so be it. It doesn't mean they are not "deserving to live here". It is probably an unfortunate but desirable consequence in the eyes of most Americans, trust me. Not suggesting they send Muslim citizens back. And please don't tell me that people of all races, religions, and ethnicities commit crimes like these. International terrorism on a massive scale is the handiwork of extremist political and religious factions in the Middle East. Please don't think this as a slight Juggs ... On a single hand, you're one of the brightest, most well-spoken people here. But "I hope everyone here would join me and turn to love rather than fear" smacks of my contention that 'most young people don't fully understand this'. These are not foreign exchange students in your dorm who you can try to come to an mutual understanding with'. They hate us, and everything Capitalism, Christian, or whatever. Interesting on the 'PC' stuff. Yes, almost without exception used with tones of disdain. But there really is no other way it makes sense to use the term, like 'yes, he said the appropriate thing, excellent!'? What is 'rational' to most citizens is 'better safe than sorry'. We don't wanna kill, torture or punish anyone, just get out of here, at least for the foreseeable future. Terrorism is rampant, and shows NO signs of slowing down. EDIT: Breaking news, a minute ago. ISIS claimed responsibility. Surprise surprise. |
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Post by saskabronco on Mar 22, 2016 11:50:16 GMT -5
And overnight, Trump is probably the frontrunner as our next President. Many Democrats, like myself, who may for the first time cross party lines.
Hillary just put the nail in her coffin a few minutes ago in a phone interview w/George Stefanopolis. "Solidarity w/our European allies, and NATO co-operation, strengthen our security, defenses at home" yada yada. She sounds naive, giving the PC canned speech. How can anyone not understand that Americans don't care about the 'rights' of emigrated or 'visiting' Muslims to be here more than they care about homeland security. The overwhelming majority are not citizens, not registered voters.
It's costing trillions of dollars to "strengthen our security and defenses" when all you gotta do is eradicate the problem for the most part. Turn on the news. Thousands of New York's finest on high-alert duty. They do not make minimum wage. I'd agree that Trump better be on the lookout for a bullet, but not from a Democrat or Republican. Maybe a bomb in Trump Tower right there in midtown Manhattan. It's a totally different world today. Technology is just an additional aid for terrorism; but ISIS is using apps that make all communications disappear, not even into the cloud. 'Give us your tired, poor, hungry' doesn't work today. We're all that too. And this is not the land of opportunity it once was, even for women and minorities to a large extent. IDT most young people really understand this. Desperate times call for desperate measures. You can't keep spending trillions of our good hard-working citizens' dollars to protect the rights of immigrants from terrorist breeding nations - only to increase the likelihood of another Boston Marathon. Obama live from Cuba now, paying lip service, some of it in Spanish. Isn't that fucking cute. Yet another measured, PC, vanilla response. His life is probably safe at this point, cuz he's almost out the door. Seriously, if it was 10 dead in Bumblefuck Kansas, he wouldn't have a response like that. EDIT: Just showing a current clip from the airport, several towelheads in a crowd, all grinning. Played it back 3x - they're alone or not talking w/anyone. Out of curiosity, what did Trump say that makes him seem like a better option than Hilary? Did he repeat his "we're gonna do worse than waterboarding" comment, or explain how he's not only going to kill their families now, but also their extended families or close acquaintences as well? Why the hell would you think Trump would do anything helpful to deal with such an issue? He has no experience dealing with any such issues and he does not provide a damn thing to suggest what action he would actually take. All he says is crap like "I'd be the best at stopping ISIS." You think Hilary sounds naive? You just said you are considering crossing party lines because Hilary was too PC with her response. Thinking Trump is capable of doing anything more productive than Hilary with such an issue is far more naive, considering he has not done a single thing to actually show that he knows what he is doing in any way. Come on Dive... you're better than that.
Terror attacks are horrific attacks on a target meant to cause fear that leads to far greater damage to a far larger target. If Trump gets voted in as a result of more terrorist attacks, they are succeeding entirely at their goal. If you (anyone, not just Dive) think Trump should be president you're an idiot and you are helping the terrorist get what they want (an even more divided, hate-filled America).
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Post by Jindred on Mar 22, 2016 13:11:19 GMT -5
I sure did see turbans. And no one's blaming all Muslims. But it was likely ISIS. Come on now, we all know what area of the world they are rooted from. If the few are making it bad for the good, law-abiding Muslims, too bad, but not my/our problem. If they have to suffer the consequences of terrorists from their homeland that pose a serious threat to our every sector of country and economy, so be it. It doesn't mean they are not "deserving to live here". It is probably an unfortunate but desirable consequence in the eyes of most Americans, trust me. Not suggesting they send Muslim citizens back. And please don't tell me that people of all races, religions, and ethnicities commit crimes like these. International terrorism on a massive scale is the handiwork of extremist political and religious factions in the Middle East. Please don't think this as a slight Juggs ... On a single hand, you're one of the brightest, most well-spoken people here. But "I hope everyone here would join me and turn to love rather than fear" smacks of my contention that 'most young people don't fully understand this'. These are not foreign exchange students in your dorm who you can try to come to an mutual understanding with'. They hate us, and everything Capitalism, Christian, or whatever. Interesting on the 'PC' stuff. Yes, almost without exception used with tones of disdain. But there really is no other way it makes sense to use the term, like 'yes, he said the appropriate thing, excellent!'? What is 'rational' to most citizens is 'better safe than sorry'. We don't wanna kill, torture or punish anyone, just get out of here, at least for the foreseeable future. Terrorism is rampant, and shows NO signs of slowing down. EDIT: Breaking news, a minute ago. ISIS claimed responsibility. Surprise surprise. All this hate is based in fear and Juggs saying "people should join me in love" is fucking completely true. You can't stop hate with more hate! It just doesn't work. You dont get people to stop hating you by hating tou by hating them back. I love how you always turn to age "you are young so you don't understand" that is pure bullshit. Age doesn't equal a damn thing. You aren't smarter or more knowledgeable or understanding because you have been here longer. I know plenty of old people who are morons when it comes to the workings of the world and I know plenty of young people who are amazingly smart and insightfull. Age is nothing. People act like they have an edge cause they've been around longer but that's like saying Matt Hasselbeck is a better QB than Cam Newton cause he is older. It just doesn't work that way. How do you suppose you "eradicate" the problem? No one is blaming all Muslims? Really? And you speak of young people and Hillary being naive.. Go read a comments section anywhere about terrorism and see all the people crying to kill all Muslims. Many people blame all Muslims for the acts of the few. Just the same as "them" hating America for the acts of the few. People over there have good reason to hate and fear America. America has committed acts of terrorism on those people as well, but of course that's OK because it was in God's name, or in the name of vengence, or what ever bs excuse they give. Oh wait those are the same reasons they want to bomb America you say? And people of all races do commit crimes like this. Go look at the statistics of how many people died in America this year due to terrorism.. then go see how many people died due to gang violence, or school shooting, or just good old regular murder. Terrorism is a miniscule percentage of people who are killed in your country. |
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Post by saskabronco on Mar 22, 2016 13:23:48 GMT -5
I sure did see turbans. And no one's blaming all Muslims. But it was likely ISIS. Come on now, we all know what area of the world they are rooted from. If the few are making it bad for the good, law-abiding Muslims, too bad, but not my/our problem. If they have to suffer the consequences of terrorists from their homeland that pose a serious threat to our every sector of country and economy, so be it. It doesn't mean they are not "deserving to live here". It is probably an unfortunate but desirable consequence in the eyes of most Americans, trust me. Not suggesting they send Muslim citizens back. And please don't tell me that people of all races, religions, and ethnicities commit crimes like these. International terrorism on a massive scale is the handiwork of extremist political and religious factions in the Middle East. Please don't think this as a slight Juggs ... On a single hand, you're one of the brightest, most well-spoken people here. But "I hope everyone here would join me and turn to love rather than fear" smacks of my contention that 'most young people don't fully understand this'. These are not foreign exchange students in your dorm who you can try to come to an mutual understanding with'. They hate us, and everything Capitalism, Christian, or whatever. Interesting on the 'PC' stuff. Yes, almost without exception used with tones of disdain. But there really is no other way it makes sense to use the term, like 'yes, he said the appropriate thing, excellent!'? What is 'rational' to most citizens is 'better safe than sorry'. We don't wanna kill, torture or punish anyone, just get out of here, at least for the foreseeable future. Terrorism is rampant, and shows NO signs of slowing down. EDIT: Breaking news, a minute ago. ISIS claimed responsibility. Surprise surprise. All this hate is based in fear and Juggs saying "people should join me in love" is fucking completely true. You can't stop hate with more hate! It just doesn't work. You dont get people to stop hating you by hating tou by hating them back. I love how you always turn to age "you are young so you don't understand" that is pure bullshit. Age doesn't equal a damn thing. You aren't smarter or more knowledgeable or understanding because you have been here longer. I know plenty of old people who are morons when it comes to the workings of the world and I know plenty of young people who are amazingly smart and insightfull. Age is nothing. People act like they have an edge cause they've been around longer but that's like saying Matt Hasselbeck is a better QB than Cam Newton cause he is older. It just doesn't work that way. How do you suppose you "eradicate" the problem? No one is blaming all Muslims? Really? And you speak of young people and Hillary being naive.. Go read a comments section anywhere about terrorism and see all the people crying to kill all Muslims. Many people blame all Muslims for the acts of the few. Just the same as "them" hating America for the acts of the few. People over there have good reason to hate and fear America. America has committed acts of terrorism on those people as well, but of course that's OK because it was in God's name, or in the name of vengence, or what ever bs excuse they give. Oh wait those are the same reasons they want to bomb America you say? And people of all races do commit crimes like this. Go look at the statistics of how many people died in America this year due to terrorism.. then go see how many people died due to gang violence, or school shooting, or just good old regular murder. Terrorism is a miniscule percentage of people who are killed in your country. TY;DR (that means Too Young, Didn't Read).
Get older already.
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Post by Jindred on Mar 22, 2016 13:35:30 GMT -5
All this hate is based in fear and Juggs saying "people should join me in love" is fucking completely true. You can't stop hate with more hate! It just doesn't work. You dont get people to stop hating you by hating tou by hating them back. I love how you always turn to age "you are young so you don't understand" that is pure bullshit. Age doesn't equal a damn thing. You aren't smarter or more knowledgeable or understanding because you have been here longer. I know plenty of old people who are morons when it comes to the workings of the world and I know plenty of young people who are amazingly smart and insightfull. Age is nothing. People act like they have an edge cause they've been around longer but that's like saying Matt Hasselbeck is a better QB than Cam Newton cause he is older. It just doesn't work that way. How do you suppose you "eradicate" the problem? No one is blaming all Muslims? Really? And you speak of young people and Hillary being naive.. Go read a comments section anywhere about terrorism and see all the people crying to kill all Muslims. Many people blame all Muslims for the acts of the few. Just the same as "them" hating America for the acts of the few. People over there have good reason to hate and fear America. America has committed acts of terrorism on those people as well, but of course that's OK because it was in God's name, or in the name of vengence, or what ever bs excuse they give. Oh wait those are the same reasons they want to bomb America you say? And people of all races do commit crimes like this. Go look at the statistics of how many people died in America this year due to terrorism.. then go see how many people died due to gang violence, or school shooting, or just good old regular murder. Terrorism is a miniscule percentage of people who are killed in your country. TY;DR (that means Too Young, Didn't Read).
Get older already.
Fair point.. That's why I have invented this aging concoction! Hehe cock.. Once I take it I will know everything and won't giggle at things like the work cock, when I say concoction. |
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Post by MarchingOn on Mar 22, 2016 14:21:25 GMT -5
I sure did see turbans. And no one's blaming all Muslims. But it was likely ISIS. Come on now, we all know what area of the world they are rooted from. If the few are making it bad for the good, law-abiding Muslims, too bad, but not my/our problem. If they have to suffer the consequences of terrorists from their homeland that pose a serious threat to our every sector of country and economy, so be it. It doesn't mean they are not "deserving to live here". It is probably an unfortunate but desirable consequence in the eyes of most Americans, trust me. Not suggesting they send Muslim citizens back. And please don't tell me that people of all races, religions, and ethnicities commit crimes like these. International terrorism on a massive scale is the handiwork of extremist political and religious factions in the Middle East. This type of thinking is bad. It's also pretty contradictory.. First you say "no one's blaming all Muslims" (which IS false, btw, there are a ton of people who love to paint all Muslims with the same brush when things like this happen), and then not even three sentences later you say "If [the good Muslims] have to suffer the consequences of terrorists from their homeland that pose a serious threat to our every sector of country and economy, so be it."... "Too bad" for them. ...What? That is literally saying in a roundabout way that it's totally okay for people to blame all Muslims. Also, lol, Muslim terrorists don't pose a "serious" threat to our "every sector of country and economy". Donald Trump becoming POTUS is what would be a cause for alarm there, if anything (but that's beside the point right now..). Muslim terrorist attacks rarely happen in America. The fear mongering that happens with regards to Muslim terrorists attacking America is ridiculous, at least in the sense that if you look at every single one of the terrorist attacks America suffers, Muslim extremist attacks only take up a miniscule percent of that. I posted this article a while back in response to something Craig said, but it's very applicable to this discussion as well. Give it a read, Dive. www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html |
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Post by MarchingOn on Mar 22, 2016 14:42:16 GMT -5
This is my favorite part from that article:
Those damn refrigerators are always so bloodthirsty. #StopRefrigeratorTerrorism
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Post by Divebitch on Mar 22, 2016 14:45:46 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, what did Trump say that makes him seem like a better option than Hilary? Did he repeat his "we're gonna do worse than waterboarding" comment, or explain how he's not only going to kill their families now, but also their extended families or close acquaintences as well? Why the hell would you think Trump would do anything helpful to deal with such an issue? He has no experience dealing with any such issues and he does not provide a damn thing to suggest what action he would actually take. All he says is crap like "I'd be the best at stopping ISIS." You think Hilary sounds naive? You just said you are considering crossing party lines because Hilary was too PC with her response. Thinking Trump is capable of doing anything more productive than Hilary with such an issue is far more naive, considering he has not done a single thing to actually show that he knows what he is doing in any way. Come on Dive... you're better than that.
Terror attacks are horrific attacks on a target meant to cause fear that leads to far greater damage to a far larger target. If Trump gets voted in as a result of more terrorist attacks, they are succeeding entirely at their goal. If you (anyone, not just Dive) think Trump should be president you're an idiot and you are helping the terrorist get what they want (an even more divided, hate-filled America).
Don't remember exactly what Trump said, it was early. But no, it wasn't about 'worse that waterboarding', or about killing anyone's family. Did he say that before? But ya know, I'm not a political animal. But in light of this situation, I don't think Trump needs to say exactly how he'd handle it. Our system doesn't work that way, nothing is done with a snap of a finger. All we have to go on is our beliefs in the truth of a candidate's convictions to 'do the right thing'. And correct, he has no history in the legislative realm. But if you wanna throw 'naive' out there, keep in mind that this idiot has all but secured the GOP (Republican party for Kanucks). Please understand this - I don't like him personally, and probably won't vote for him. Shocking to me that I'm not even sure. And there's no doubt in my mind that most people that will vote for him don't like him either. Just saying how I honestly think the country is feeling about this, and the primaries don't lie. Saying this has come at the worst time possible for the Democratic party, that I feel sure of. |
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