Politics

[Jancey]

Mar 2, 2016 22:34:29 GMT -5 saskabronco said:

he's black

Lol, really saska? Really? That's beneath you. Clearly right wingers care about his skin color. Ben carson was never leading in polls or anything.

[saskabronco]

Mar 2, 2016 22:49:59 GMT -5 Jancey said:

Mar 2, 2016 22:34:29 GMT -5 saskabronco said:

he's black

Lol, really saska? Really? That's beneath you. Clearly right wingers care about his skin color. Ben carson was never leading in polls or anything.

That was a direct shot at Coltsrock, not all right wingers. I've seen the stuff he's said about race in the past... And you can't tell me that the crazy hatred shown towards Obama by the majority of the right wingers has nothing to do with his skin colour. No one would have been questioning his birth certificate or religion if he was a white guy.

And I'm not saying it's the only reason they hate him, but they use it against him very often.

[Jancey]

Mar 2, 2016 22:54:00 GMT -5 saskabronco said:

Mar 2, 2016 22:49:59 GMT -5 Jancey said:

Lol, really saska? Really? That's beneath you. Clearly right wingers care about his skin color. Ben carson was never leading in polls or anything.

That was a direct shot at Coltsrock, not all right wingers. I've seen the stuff he's said about race in the past... And you can't tell me that the crazy hatred shown towards Obama by the majority of the right wingers has nothing to do with his skin colour. No one would have been questioning his birth certificate or religion if he was a white guy.

And I'm not saying it's the only reason they hate him, but they use it against him very often.

I would say 90% of the time, it has nothing to do with skin color. Sometimes, yes, but there's always gonna be those morons.

The birth certificate fiasco was dumb, but iirc there was a relatively big issue with Cruz's birth certificate as well, but I may be mistaken.

They really don't, though. I have come across some rednecks and older folks that were clearly racist and some that said some sketchy things by mentioning Obama's skin color, but it was rare. I think the ones who do bring up the fact that he's black (sorta) are just the ones you notice while you don't notice the reasonable ones with legitimate reasons why Obama is a terrible president.

[coltsrockjcr]

Damn you have me all figured out Saska. A racist, Muslim-hating redneck. God you're a POS.

In response to your post:

Yeah no shit spending doesn't automatically mean losing money. The thing is our economy is stagnant. Growing at a snail's pace, if that. Our profits do not come close to exceeding our expenses. And the unemployment stats are misleading. The Dept of Labor has strict requirements for being officially part of the labor force. If I recall (not looking it up), if you stop looking for a job after like 1 month you are no longer counted as part of the unemployed. People here have stopped looking for jobs because there are so few available. Hence the US's lowest labor force participation rate since the 70s while official unemployment has dropped. And Obama passed Obamacare in a Democrat-majority Congress. He faced no significant opposition with the ACA. Yes, healthcare needs reform, but the way the ACA brings people healthcare is wrong and unconstitutional. It targets large businesses to force them to pay for their workers' shitty insurance plans, and if you don't you are fined a ridiculous amount of money. The thing is is that the way in which it classifies large business and small business is wrong. Much of the larger small businesses are classified as large businesses, which is devastating for profits, which can heavily damage local communities, and it has. The standard, if there is one, should be uniform throughout. Its implementation is unconstitutional as nowhere in the constitution does it state everyone is required to have healthcare. It is not a tax, so where does its legality lie? Its also wrong that selective businesses have to pay for their employee's healthcare while others do not.

On Hillary, I don't make her out to be some criminal mastermind, but it has been revealed by the FBI and the Dept of Justice that much of the content in those emails is as classified as it gets. That's a fact. She jeopardized national security. And the reason it is not heavily covered by the likes of CNN and MSNBC is that Hillary is their "golden child" and she has been ever since she entered the race. They are the Democratic establishment, and they do not want to see a Bernie nomination or a Republican presidency. That much has been made abundantly clear. All media is partisan. And believe it or not, Hillary could be close to facing criminal charges. The Dept of Justice has been conducting an investigation into this matter for months, and depending on the motivations of Loretta Lynch (Democratic establishment) she may or may not be charged. But it is a very real possibility.

And feel free to do some more research on that specific email. There's a lot out there, I just didn't cite the best source.

And what Libyan government would we be appeasing by keeping Americans in a war-torn country in which we had just deposed a dictator? There was none. Almost any government would have temporarily pulled their ambassador and other figures during a time of so much violence and anti-American sentiment.

[coltsrockjcr]

And Obama's race has nothing to do with the educated side of the GOP's hate for him. They would hate him no matter what skin color he is. Yes of course there are racist hillbillies out there, but they are quite a small percentage. If Republicans are so racist, why are the number 2 and 3 candidates of Hispanic descent? There is a black man running drawing a good deal of support. Don't hear the rednecks talking about his race. Not to mention Fiorina who was well-liked. Honestly in my entire life I have never heard an educated conservative bring Obama's race into the discussion of his presidential success or lack there-of.

And birthers come from both sides of the political spectrum. There were Democrats who questioned Obama's birth, and there are Republicans who question our half-white, half-hispanic runner up's status.

[Jancey]

Ted Cruz isn't Hispanic lol. He's Canadian.

[coltsrockjcr]

Mother = White

Father = Hispanic

Ted = half-Hispanic born in Canada

Same thing as calling someone of Hispanic descent born in America a Hispanic, latino, etc.

[Morkim]

Mar 3, 2016 0:28:05 GMT -5 Jancey said:

Ted Cruz isn't Hispanic lol. He's Canadian.

Which is obviously worse.

[Jancey]

Mar 3, 2016 0:50:03 GMT -5 coltsrockjcr said:

Mother = White

Father = Hispanic

Ted = half-Hispanic born in Canada

Same thing as calling someone of Hispanic descent born in America a Hispanic, latino, etc.

Ah. Didn't know his father was hispanic.

[saskabronco]

Mar 3, 2016 0:15:07 GMT -5 coltsrockjcr said:

Damn you have me all figured out Saska. A racist, Muslim-hating redneck. God you're a POS.

In response to your post:

Yeah no shit spending doesn't automatically mean losing money. The thing is our economy is stagnant. Growing at a snail's pace, if that. Our profits do not come close to exceeding our expenses. And the unemployment stats are misleading. The Dept of Labor has strict requirements for being officially part of the labor force. If I recall (not looking it up), if you stop looking for a job after like 1 month you are no longer counted as part of the unemployed. People here have stopped looking for jobs because there are so few available. Hence the US's lowest labor force participation rate since the 70s while official unemployment has dropped. And Obama passed Obamacare in a Democrat-majority Congress. He faced no significant opposition with the ACA. Yes, healthcare needs reform, but the way the ACA brings people healthcare is wrong and unconstitutional. It targets large businesses to force them to pay for their workers' shitty insurance plans, and if you don't you are fined a ridiculous amount of money. The thing is is that the way in which it classifies large business and small business is wrong. Much of the larger small businesses are classified as large businesses, which is devastating for profits, which can heavily damage local communities, and it has. The standard, if there is one, should be uniform throughout. Its implementation is unconstitutional as nowhere in the constitution does it state everyone is required to have healthcare. It is not a tax, so where does its legality lie? Its also wrong that selective businesses have to pay for their employee's healthcare while others do not.

On Hillary, I don't make her out to be some criminal mastermind, but it has been revealed by the FBI and the Dept of Justice that much of the content in those emails is as classified as it gets. That's a fact. She jeopardized national security. And the reason it is not heavily covered by the likes of CNN and MSNBC is that Hillary is their "golden child" and she has been ever since she entered the race. They are the Democratic establishment, and they do not want to see a Bernie nomination or a Republican presidency. That much has been made abundantly clear. All media is partisan. And believe it or not, Hillary could be close to facing criminal charges. The Dept of Justice has been conducting an investigation into this matter for months, and depending on the motivations of Loretta Lynch (Democratic establishment) she may or may not be charged. But it is a very real possibility.

And feel free to do some more research on that specific email. There's a lot out there, I just didn't cite the best source.

And what Libyan government would we be appeasing by keeping Americans in a war-torn country in which we had just deposed a dictator? There was none. Almost any government would have temporarily pulled their ambassador and other figures during a time of so much violence and anti-American sentiment.

I didn't say the Republicans were the sole reason of the compromise on the ACA. "That was the best compromise he could get given the opposition he faced. The ideal goal is universal, single payer health care where the insurance companies don't make billions off of every transaction, but that's too much socialism for most Americans." Many Americans on the left are also afraid of anything sounding like socialism. But calling the ACA unconstitutional because nothing in the constitution says everyone is required to have health care is a fucking stupid statement. Just because a bunch of men a long time ago did not think to include every possible outcome for the future, the fact that it's not listed in the constitution as a necessity does not make passing health care unconstitutional. That would only be the case if the constitution stated outright that government run health care should not be implemented.

On Hilary, if the investigations show that she is guilty of a crime, then she deserves to be punished. I don't think she should be let off the hook for anything truly illegal and harmful to the country. But I'll wait until a legitimate source comes to that decision. The fact that only nut job right wing sources are reporting that she's guilty on all accounts right now (the same sources that have been dying to expose her in some scandal but keep coming up with bullshit nothingness time and time again) makes me skeptical. I know there are also nutjob left wing sources, especially MSNBC who are equally unreliable. What I'm waiting for is the investigation to conclude and have real decisions made by the people with the power to make them.

The difference between Obama and Cruz though is the skin colour. Obama is a black skinned man (part white, part black) with a legitimate birth certificate showing he was born in America. Despite that, people have (and still) questioned his legitimacy as president because some people say he was born in Kenya, with no proof of that claim. Cruz is white skinned man (part white, part Hispanic) who was actually born in another country, yet the question of his legitimacy is far less than anything Obama ever faced.

I'm not saying that everyone openly claims they hate Obama because he's black. Obviously that's not the case. But as we've seen with the birth of the Trump movement, a lot of people are far more racist and bigoted than we previously thought. There is a ton of irrational hatred for Obama fuelled by Fox News lies and other unsubstantiated BS. I think it's very fair to conclude that many people don't hate Obama because he's black, but his skin colour and name make it far easier for them to hate him. Using the "we've got a black friend in Carson" card doesn't work. The fact that the majority of people are still voting for a fucking openly racist monster who would destroy the country refutes any claim that "we're not racist." And oddly enough Cruz and Rubio are the two whitest skinned Hispanics you could find. If they were the same colour as Obama with the same names, I bet their success changes drastically. Skin colour matters to the American people a lot more than you guys like to admit.