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Post by gobolts25 on Nov 21, 2014 16:20:17 GMT -5
That's not the issue, though. The question is, is Cobb more or less likely to score if Nelson blows up on one night (or vice versa)? And the answer is absolutely less. Who owns him doesn't enter into it, except as far as not starting two guys from the same team. Each limits the other's potential. Meanwhile, all other things being equal, someone who's the clear #1 without a lot of competition will be more likely to score. Think you missed all my points completely. Try another way... You don't know who is gonna blow up any given week. You only know that they are both very good, great QB, crappy opponent, whatever. Could be fine for BOTH WRs and their TE too. BOTH will be consistent, although 1 will outscore the other. I can show you a 100 examples, but ain't gonna. lol Just last week alone in my BC6 league (PPR and returns), Jordy 18.9, Cobb 14.9 - Baldwin 12.7, Floyd 10.4. You didn't address any point I made. Think. Think. Are you gonna sit Sanders cuz it might be D. Thomas week to get EVERYTHING? You could easily start a #1 in a worse situation that will not produce. Each situation is multi-faceted, and may change on a weekly basis - opponent, run game, QB, injuries, etc. I get what you're saying, but you're cherry-picking. First, you take three of the most prolific passing offenses in the game who coincidentally have two WR's who completely outstrip any other receivers (including TE's) on the team. (Good luck on having been able to get both of them in the first place, but that's another issue.) Here's some anecdotal evidence, though. Following are the FF productions this season for those three pairs of WR's (standard scoring): Julio 8.6 14.8 28.1 8.2 10.5 5.9 5.6 5.8 11.9 5.9 Roddy 13.2 4.2 0.0 13.3 2.6 4.0 16.0 5.6 13.2 13.5 Jordy 8.3 30.9 5.9 22.8 12.6 16.7 14.0 2.5 27.2 16.9 Cobb 11.8 18.5 2.9 23.3 9.4 11.9 18.3 18.6 10.2 12.9 DT 4.8 12.2 5.1 38.6 18.4 29.1 10.5 12.7 10.8 10.3 Manny 8.8 10.6 14.9 10.9 3.8 10.1 29.6 15.1 19.2 16.2 In Julio and Roddy's case (the one that touched this whole thing off), only once did both score over ten points this season in the same game. And in only 5 of those 10 games did they score over 20 points COMBINED. Personally, I have higher expectations for a WR1 + WR2's combined score than that (a good WR1 should be averaging 13-15 pts. a week, and a WR2 10-12), but I'm going with minimally acceptable scoring here. Then there are the other two cases, all 4 receivers in the top 10 in scoring. In other words, the anomalies. Jordy and Cobb average 29.4 pts./game combined and DT and Sanders average 29.2 pts./game combined. There are two other tandems whose average is even minimally acceptable: Maclin and Matthews (averaging 23.8/game combined) and Marshall and Jeffery (averaging 20.6 pts/game combined). Julio and Roddy are worse than all of them, averaging 19.1/game combined. I'm pretty sure I can do better than that playing guys from two different teams, with the exception of the first two tandems. So, after all that, no, obviously I'm not going to sit Sanders as a WR2, because he's a top-10 receiver, and there's no way I'm going to have a better choice at WR2. But once again, he and Cobb are the exceptions, not the rule.
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Post by Divebitch on Nov 21, 2014 17:41:35 GMT -5
Yes, I'm cherry-picking, they are the exceptions, the anomalies (to a LOOSE extent) not the rule. But there are enough exceptions to warrant my view, and Falcons have been the surest of them.
4 of 6 of my leagues are PPR and ALL award return yds to the IOP. So values will differ from standard scoring.
You mention Maclin/Mathews, sure that's fine. Was too busy to look into each team. But another perfect example of why you start both. Ya know, byes behind, peeps can be a little pickier. phew
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 19:43:55 GMT -5
Well...In this league we can start 5 WR's. If Arian Foster does not play...then I can put both SS and Rowdy in there.
I know whatever decision I make will be the wrong one...lol. At least Jamaal started me off right.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 15:39:15 GMT -5
Looks like A Foster isnt going to play.
Problem solved...lol
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Post by Divebitch on Nov 23, 2014 14:25:59 GMT -5
gobolts25 - At the half, both JJ & Roddy have 12 - 12.5 pts (1 PPR) apiece. Yes, that split is a bit of a coincidence, but...there's my point. lol
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Post by Morkim on Nov 23, 2014 14:28:53 GMT -5
gobolts25 - At the half, both JJ & Roddy have 12 - 12.5 pts (1 PPR) apiece. Yes, that split is a bit of a coincidence, but...there's my point. lol Doesn't Julio have more than 12.5?
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Post by Divebitch on Nov 23, 2014 15:05:05 GMT -5
gobolts25 - At the half, both JJ & Roddy have 12 - 12.5 pts (1 PPR) apiece. Yes, that split is a bit of a coincidence, but...there's my point. lol Doesn't Julio have more than 12.5? Not at the time. You posted just a couple minutes later, so no idea what you saw, but JJ has exactly 14 in my 1 PPR league ATM, and almost end of 3rd quarter, so that would be expected now, just 1 catch since
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Post by Morkim on Nov 23, 2014 15:06:52 GMT -5
Doesn't Julio have more than 12.5? Not at the time. You posted just a couple minutes later, so no idea what you saw, but JJ has exactly 14 in my 1 PPR league ATM, and it's mid 3rd quarter, so that would be expected now, just 1 catch since It was 14 at the half. He prob caught a catch on the last drive of the half and you looked early.
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Post by Divebitch on Nov 23, 2014 15:11:36 GMT -5
It was 14 at the half. He prob caught a catch on the last drive of the half and you looked early. Yup. Jumped the gun. There was like 1 min left and didn't think they got the ball back. Sadly, neither has done anything since. Don't quote me if it happened in the last minute. lol I'm watching several games.
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Post by gobolts25 on Nov 23, 2014 20:16:45 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about PPR, was doing standard scoring....and in that they combined for 22.4 points. Barely acceptable to my view. And that's the second time it's happened all year. One instance does not a rule prove, or negate. But a full season's stats, well, that's a lot more indicative.
To illustrate, here's a list of non-top-10 WR's who did better than Roddy, before the Sunday night or Monday games (in order, from lowest to highest-scoring):
Brandon LaFell Greg Jennings Tavon Austin Keenan Allen James Jones Mike Evans Mohammed Sanu Golden Tate (though he's near-top 10) Louis Murphy (are you kidding me?) Josh Gordon (yeah, yeah, he comes with an asterisk) Justin Hunter Charles Johnson Stedman Bailey (who?) Jarvis Landry Anquan Boldin
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