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Post by gobolts25 on Sept 17, 2014 21:33:58 GMT -5
As for your scenario, let's assume it occurs, and AP is reinstated and plays next year. You get four more weeks of Gordon than he gets of AP...but, and this is a huge but, he gets a first-round pick at the cost of a seventh-rounder (or whatever WW is). So, in effect, he gets an extra first-rounder next year. That's where the issue is.What issue? Ever been in a keeper league of this format? No one gets 'extra' picks. We are getting 'good values' for their draft round. Forget Gordons extra 4 games. Let's talk theoretical so it makes sense to you. They both come back same day. He gets AP as a 5th rounder. I get Gordon as a 3rd or 8th or 15 rounder, whatever in your mind is equal value. We'd both benefit, like any normal trade. Unless you happen to be one of the other players, who gets cheated of equal drafting. As one of those players, I'd vote against the trade in a heartbeat. As for the 'extra' thing, he gets two first-round players for the price of a first round and seventh round pick, which is, in effect, pretty close to an extra first rounder. I know how it works, I'm just apparently not communicating very effectively.
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Post by Divebitch on Sept 17, 2014 21:45:45 GMT -5
I sorry Bev..I pee on your parade. You shoulda kept D Williams. He be back this week. So will D Martin....lol!! U might need to go get DMC or T Rich off waivers. LMAO Bet you recall as well as I do what happened last year in the GY. I accepted your offer, giving you Steve Smith for D-Wil. Like clockwork, Smith goes off and D-Wil all but disappears. Funny you should mention it, I think DMC is actually available. IMO that is fine. Basically, Dive is giving Mork a 4 round upgrade by dropping AP instead of trading him.. Nothing wrong with that IMO. Heck I think WW spots should be able to be traded. lol Whenever I see my own posts I think it is someone else. #FreeTheGhostFace Is everybody losing bets around here? You do know the LM can manipulate the WW priority, right? Now, THAT would definitely be collusion. hehe
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Post by Divebitch on Sept 17, 2014 22:29:58 GMT -5
Unless you happen to be one of the other players, who gets cheated of equal drafting. As one of those players, I'd vote against the trade in a heartbeat. As for the 'extra' thing, he gets two first-round players for the price of a first round and seventh round pick, which is, in effect, pretty close to an extra first rounder. I know how it works, I'm just apparently not communicating very effectively. I'll give it one quick shot, getting real sleepy. Craig, take over. A couple comments.. No one gets cheated. Everyone gets a chance to trade in the off-season. Everyone else also picked up guys during the year (either off the WW/FA, or drafted in the VERY late rounds. Morkim inherited a team that drafted Julius Thomas in the 19th. Many got Montee Ball late, or picked up Lacy off the WW. These are 1st and 2nd rounders this year. Is that fair? Yes, and that's what trading it all about. Everyone is trying to keep value. Everyone is in the same boat. It's also why getting an 'extra pick' in the 1st round is a bit inaccurate. If you really know how it works, you know there are very few true first round values available. A lot of guys that could no longer be kept we drafted in later rounds 2 years prior. In one 12 teamer of mine: Charles (2), Forte (2), Lynch (3) Lacy (5), Peyton (6) - all normally 1st rounders already off the board right off the bat. From there, the talent thins out pretty quick. But really, it depends on your keeper rules. Oh, there is no voting on trades in the off-season. Me & my co-LM might discuss if something looks way outta whack. But it's hard enough getting people to vote during the season. Once that's over, it's a lost cause asking even half the league to go to a PB to vote. It ain't a money league, everyone's trusted and knows what they're doing - except me sometimes.
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Post by gobolts25 on Sept 17, 2014 22:38:55 GMT -5
Unless you happen to be one of the other players, who gets cheated of equal drafting. As one of those players, I'd vote against the trade in a heartbeat. As for the 'extra' thing, he gets two first-round players for the price of a first round and seventh round pick, which is, in effect, pretty close to an extra first rounder. I know how it works, I'm just apparently not communicating very effectively. I'll give it one quick shot, getting real sleepy. Craig, take over. A couple comments.. No one gets cheated. Everyone gets a chance to trade in the off-season. Everyone else also picked up guys during the year (either off the WW/FA, or drafted in the VERY late rounds. Morkim inherited a team that drafted Julius Thomas in the 19th. Many got Montee Ball late, or picked up Lacy off the WW. These are 1st and 2nd rounders this year. Is that fair? Yes, and that's what trading it all about. Everyone is trying to keep value. Everyone is in the same boat. It's also why getting an 'extra pick' in the 1st round is a bit inaccurate. If you really know how it works, you know there are very few true first round values available. A lot of guys that could no longer be kept we drafted in later rounds 2 years prior. In one 12 teamer of mine: Charles (2), Forte (2), Lynch (3) Lacy (5), Peyton (6) - all normally 1st rounders already off the board right off the bat. From there, the talent thins out pretty quick. But really, it depends on your keeper rules. Oh, there is no voting on trades in the off-season. Me & my co-LM might discuss if something looks way outta whack. But it's hard enough getting people to vote during the season. Once that's over, it's a lost cause asking even half the league to go to a PB to vote. It ain't a money league, everyone's trusted and knows what they're doing - except me sometimes. That's doing it fairly. Sure, Julius Thomas was a WW pickup or late-round flyer at that point. That's where he was rated at the time. Same with your other examples. The people who picked up those players were rewarded with improved keeper value when they were rated higher the next season. They weren't deliberately taking an already highly-rated (and presumably still highly-rated the next season) player and forcing him to a lower value. As for the way drafting works, I'm aware that the talent is watered-down compared to redraft leagues. However, there's a limit to the number of players you can keep, and the rest will go back into the draft pool. Unless you get a ludicrous number of keepers, you're still going to have some first-rounders available. Regardless, the player getting AP is getting more value with his picks than he should. Trust me, you're opening up a whole can of worms doing this. It is patently unfair, and potentially imbalancing when other players feel like they have to use the same tactic just to keep up.
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