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Post by Jindred on Oct 30, 2015 13:43:17 GMT -5
Lol you seem to forget no matter how many times I explain that I believe in souls. I just dont believe in the Christian God, nor any other god that has been presented to me. Yes I forget a lot. lol. I also don't read the bible. I respect it for what it is though. So if you believe you have a soul, why do you think you have that? And what do you believe happens to it when your human body dies? There is life after death. I'm not sure as is no one, what that is. But it exists. Otherwise we would have no soul. Why do I believe I have a soul? Simply put, because I believe something has to power our bodies. Our bodies are like an organic machine, and like a machine they need something to power them, the soul = electricity. That isn't the full extent of my belief but that is the simplest way to explain it. As far as what happens after the human body dies.. the soul leaves. After that I have no clue, my best guess is that it joins back with the rest of the power supply, or maybe inhabits another body. I like the idea of reincarnation, and there are things that make me think it could be true, connections a person makes with other people that feel like you knew them before, things some people know that they haven't necessarily learned in this life, attraction to things for no apparent reason. Maybe these things have a different explanation but for now it seems like the best option. I'm pretty sure there is more, I am just uncertain as to what it is. I know a lot more about what I believe is wrong than what I believe is the right when it comes to all this stuff. Process of elimination lol.
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Post by craig440 on Nov 1, 2015 1:50:18 GMT -5
I like to think reincarnation is real also. I'd like to think your soul comes back until you get it right. I watched this for quite a while. It was very interesting. Then towards the end, I think, I realized he was selling something so I quit. But for maybe ten or fifteen minutes it was good. americasupdate.com/Give it a chance thru the Putin/Obama stuff. This is borderline Politics and Religion. So I put it here because it combines the two.
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Post by Juggs on Nov 1, 2015 12:15:10 GMT -5
Hey theWILLmckoy Let me give you some advise. I have not read any of this, but let me tell you how I feel. You can't discuss this with these people, you know why? They believe they have no soul. End of conversation. EDK is a Christian. I think he believes in a soul. I'm fairly sure Jindred might believe in a soul... I know me and Jauncy do. I mean, idk how to take a statement like this. Edit: Jindred haha I thought you did. Just beat me. I do as well but I think the more curious thing is why an atheist couldn't understand the conversation. They've been hearing about souls and religion from us their whole lives, I think they probably get it by now
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Post by saskabronco on Nov 4, 2015 10:05:03 GMT -5
I just had a very depressing talk with my mother-in-law. She is very, very Christian and helps out with her local church. There is a family of refugees that just moved to our hometown from Iran, fleeing persecution for being Christian in a Muslim country. They are an older couple, with a few children and a few grandchildren. We met this couple before our wedding and while they had little to give, the wife did free dress alterations for my wife (would have cost $200) and they gave us another gift for the wedding. They are wonderful, kind people. Their daughter and her children came to Canada as well, but their son, his wife and their two children got as far as Turkey but could not get accepted as refugees or immigrants.
This is where it gets depressing. The family of four were living in Turkey, getting funding from a Christian charity while the father was looking for work. He did find some general labour work, but he kept getting screwed over (ie. Paid $10 for three weeks of work). Recently, the charity pulled out of supporting the family and the family was left for broke. Since no money was coming in, the Turkish government kicked them out. Since no other countries were willing to take them in, their only option was to return home to Iran. Keep in mind, in Turkey Christians are treated poorly but in Iran Christians are outright persecuted. Upon returning home, the Iranian government attempted to force the family to convert to Islam (even jailing the whole family, including the 8 and 10 year old girls, for half a day).
Now, the family is stuck living in a country where they are a hated minority, having no money. Getting a job is very difficult for any Christians there. The only schools the girls can go to are Islamic, and they constantly try to force the girls to accept the Islamic faith. They are forced to dress in uniform (mean full body coverings) and treated like outcasts so long as they don't convert. This entire situation makes me sick to my stomach, and I get the feeling that things will only get worse for this family... And that this is the norm for many non-Muslim families in Iran and other Islamic theocracies.
I share this story because it is tragic and because it backs up why I hate religion so much. So many people use differing beliefs to justify oppression. I don't hate people who are religious specifically. I respect that many people have faith and practice it in peace, but it makes me so angry every time I see someone using their faith to justify oppressing others. The example I gave shows how people can use Islam to oppress Christians, but that doesn't mean I think only Islam is bad and Christianity is good.
I see people in Canada and USA trying to oppress Muslims fleeing to our countries from the wars and famine going on over there as well. Leading up to our election, Stephen Harper started a divisive campaign to outlaw the niqab (face-covering) in our country. The Christian Right wing ate this up and started screaming about how we're a Christian nation and that if they (Muslims) want to live in our country, they live by our rules. Because these women came from a place where their government had forced them to wear certain clothing their entire lives, some Canadians thought that we should now pass a law forcing these women to not wear that clothing. I had some of this crap show up on my wall and ended up getting into a huge Facebook thing with a site called "Citizens for a sharia free Canada".
These people thought they were being patriotic; trying to protect our freedom by keeping sharia law away. I notified them that our laws prevent any such laws from happening, and that getting the government to force women to wear specific clothing based on religious beliefs would set a dangerous precedent that would make sharia law more possible in the future. If they want to protect us from sharia law, ensure that government never dictates what we wear and ensure that women have the option to choose whatever clothes they want. After nearly a week of pointing out flaws in all of the stupidity shared on that page, the site moderators blocked me and deleted everything I posted. What I learned from that experience is that people in Canada can be just as bad as the people in the countries we fear. Luckily here those people are a minority and luckily we live in a country where laws are set up to prevent things like Sharia Law or any Christian equivalent.
But what bothers me so much is that, if given the chance, many Christian Canadians and Americans would be very willing to oppress groups like Muslims or atheists. The problem with this whole thing is that religion makes some people crazy. The majority, I believe, are capable of believing what they believe in peace; but there are so many people willing to do crazy things out of fear or out of devotion to a charismatic leader or to an interpretation of a book believed to be the words of some god. Right now, it seems like the Middle East is the hot spot for such people, but that is far from the only place where those crazies exist.
I'm not saying that religion is the only cause for people to act out and do crazy things, nor am I saying that all religious people are crazy. What I am saying is that there is nothing in our world that inspires people to do such a massive amount, or such an extreme level of crazy. A belief in an afterlife makes people far more willing to die for a cause. The belief that you are doing your god's work makes you believe that you will be rewarded in killing and in death, rather than punished. The idea that someone else does not believe in, or respect, your one true God inspires hate and anger that can rarely be matched. In short, the world would still definitely not be perfect, but it would be a much better place if there was no religion. I am so sick of all of this religious bullshit.
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Post by Jancey on Nov 4, 2015 13:13:35 GMT -5
You being blocked and posts deleted was likely a result of profanity and insults.
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Post by saskabronco on Nov 4, 2015 13:54:08 GMT -5
You being blocked and posts deleted was likely a result of profanity and insults. When the majority of the posts consisted of crap like "every fukin moslem deserves a bullet in there head", I'm quite certain that my posts were not excessively profane or insulting. It just turns out that calling xenophobic bigots xenophobic bigots makes them mad. In having many discussions with them before getting blocked, it was clear much of the anger came from their lack of understanding of those words. Before getting blocked and deleted, I got the moderators to recant one post that was based on a complete lie and I corrected many extremely misinformed people who were outraged about things that were not happening. One of the moderators went on to my personal profile, took a picture of some of my friends being stupid and drinking, and then posted it in one of the comment sections stating that I clearly shouldn't be taken seriously because "look at this picture". I was arguing on that page because they were pushing an unjust hatred towards Muslims that would negatively impact many Muslims coming here in hopes of safety from the horrors of their home. The last thing I want to see is them arriving just to have xenophobic bigots treating them like they are terrorists because of the God they believe in. I likely officially got deleted because I started calling for the moderators to post under their real names. Their whole complaint was that we can't trust people who hide behind masks, but a group of moderators were operating (and still are) that site anonymously. They talked like they were heroes, but they refused to post anything with their own name attached to it, and then used my own personal information to try and attack me and undermine my words with irrelevant past photographs. I know you're just kidding around Jancey, but using a bit of foul language and being brutally honest is not a bad thing. If the word bullshit was the most bothersome part of my post above to anyone, then their priorities are mixed up.
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Post by craig440 on Nov 4, 2015 18:28:01 GMT -5
Sharia law is way more than what you wear. Do you want to allow Sharia law into Canada? Just asking. And your constant HATE for religion, isn't that being as you say a bigot? Hate is hate. Canada does not have Sharia law as does not the USA. Why would you want to allow it? Isn't that what the refugees are fleeing? Why allow them to bring it to Canada?
And as far as wars go. Both world wars, Vietnam, Korean war, and the Iraq war had nothing to do with religion. It had to do with government, oil, and territory. So why don't you hate organized government? You seem to blame everything on religion. The Islam religion is barbaric. Don't you see that? People talk about the republicans having a war on women, how about the Islam's? There is no comparison. So some republicans want to stop abortion. Islam will behead women or mutilate them. I don't get your compassion for allowing Muslims to infiltrate your country. The base of it is barbaric. Of course not all Muslims are barbaric, but to allow Sharia law into Canada would be a huge mistake in my mind.
It sounds like the mods in your other site were out of line. But if I was a mod on ANY site, I sure wouldn't use my name. Did you use your real name? I assume not. So did you? If not, which I again assume you are the hypocritical one.
I knew I should just read not respond. haha. Because here comes the spinning.
Hope all is well with ya Saska. Last time we talked you were having a rough time. But answer my few questions please.
Did you use your real name? Would you be alright with Muslims setting up Sharia law courts in Canada?
Please don't write a long response in your first response post. Just answer the two questions. Then you can explain(spin, justify) in your next post. I just want the two answers.
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Post by Morkim on Nov 4, 2015 18:35:23 GMT -5
Sharia law is way more than what you wear. Do you want to allow Sharia law into Canada? Just asking. And your constant HATE for religion, isn't that being as you say a bigot? Hate is hate. Canada does not have Sharia law as does not the USA. Why would you want to allow it? Isn't that what the refugees are fleeing? Why allow them to bring it to Canada? And as far as wars go. Both world wars, Vietnam, Korean war, and the Iraq war had nothing to do with religion. It had to do with government, oil, and territory. So why don't you hate organized government? You seem to blame everything on religion. The Islam religion is barbaric. Don't you see that? People talk about the republicans having a war on women, how about the Islam's? There is no comparison. So some republicans want to stop abortion. Islam will behead women or mutilate them. I don't get your compassion for allowing Muslims to infiltrate your country. The base of it is barbaric. Of course not all Muslims are barbaric, but to allow Sharia law into Canada would be a huge mistake in my mind. It sounds like the mods in your other site were out of line. But if I was a mod on ANY site, I sure wouldn't use my name. Did you use your real name? I assume not. So did you? If not, which I again assume you are the hypocritical one. I knew I should just read not respond. haha. Because here comes the spinning. Hope all is well with ya Saska. Last time we talked you were having a rough time. But answer my few questions please. Did you use your real name? Would you be alright with Muslims setting up Sharia law courts in Canada? I can quickly sum up his answers since I read his post. 1) he more likely than not is not supporting Sharia law in Canada. But he did -not- want laws that dictated what women -had- to wear simply because they wear them because of Sharia law. Laws dictating what people are allowed to wear is a slippery slope that leads to governments having control like the Sharia law. 2) I think he used his real name, because he pointed out they were on his Facebook digging up pictures.
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Post by craig440 on Nov 4, 2015 18:44:53 GMT -5
Sharia law is way more than what you wear. Do you want to allow Sharia law into Canada? Just asking. And your constant HATE for religion, isn't that being as you say a bigot? Hate is hate. Canada does not have Sharia law as does not the USA. Why would you want to allow it? Isn't that what the refugees are fleeing? Why allow them to bring it to Canada? And as far as wars go. Both world wars, Vietnam, Korean war, and the Iraq war had nothing to do with religion. It had to do with government, oil, and territory. So why don't you hate organized government? You seem to blame everything on religion. The Islam religion is barbaric. Don't you see that? People talk about the republicans having a war on women, how about the Islam's? There is no comparison. So some republicans want to stop abortion. Islam will behead women or mutilate them. I don't get your compassion for allowing Muslims to infiltrate your country. The base of it is barbaric. Of course not all Muslims are barbaric, but to allow Sharia law into Canada would be a huge mistake in my mind. It sounds like the mods in your other site were out of line. But if I was a mod on ANY site, I sure wouldn't use my name. Did you use your real name? I assume not. So did you? If not, which I again assume you are the hypocritical one. I knew I should just read not respond. haha. Because here comes the spinning. Hope all is well with ya Saska. Last time we talked you were having a rough time. But answer my few questions please. Did you use your real name? Would you be alright with Muslims setting up Sharia law courts in Canada? I can quickly sum up his answers since I read his post. 1) he more likely than not is not supporting Sharia law in Canada. But he did -not- want laws that dictated what women -had- to wear simply because they wear them because of Sharia law. Laws dictating what people are allowed to wear is a slippery slope that leads to governments having control like the Sharia law. 2) I think he used his real name, because he pointed out they were on his Facebook digging up pictures. The government already dictates what you can wear. You can not walk down the street naked. Good point on the facebook. But you can have fake face book things also. But you are probably right on that one. I still wouldn't use my real name if I was an abusive mod. Edit. Now that I think about it, I have never seen a face book mod say anything, have you? That sound fishy to me.
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Post by saskabronco on Nov 4, 2015 18:51:44 GMT -5
Sharia law is way more than what you wear. Do you want to allow Sharia law into Canada? Just asking. And your constant HATE for religion, isn't that being as you say a bigot? Hate is hate. Canada does not have Sharia law as does not the USA. Why would you want to allow it? Isn't that what the refugees are fleeing? Why allow them to bring it to Canada? And as far as wars go. Both world wars, Vietnam, Korean war, and the Iraq war had nothing to do with religion. It had to do with government, oil, and territory. So why don't you hate organized government? You seem to blame everything on religion. The Islam religion is barbaric. Don't you see that? People talk about the republicans having a war on women, how about the Islam's? There is no comparison. So some republicans want to stop abortion. Islam will behead women or mutilate them. I don't get your compassion for allowing Muslims to infiltrate your country. The base of it is barbaric. Of course not all Muslims are barbaric, but to allow Sharia law into Canada would be a huge mistake in my mind. It sounds like the mods in your other site were out of line. But if I was a mod on ANY site, I sure wouldn't use my name. Did you use your real name? I assume not. So did you? If not, which I again assume you are the hypocritical one. I knew I should just read not respond. haha. Because here comes the spinning. Hope all is well with ya Saska. Last time we talked you were having a rough time. But answer my few questions please. Did you use your real name? Would you be alright with Muslims setting up Sharia law courts in Canada? Please don't write a long response in your first response post. Just answer the two questions. Then you can explain(spin, justify) in your next post. I just want the two answers. Morkim basically answered perfectly for me but as you requested: 1) Yes I posted on Facebook under my real name, which is how they got personal information that they used to try and shame me. 2) Absolutely not and if you read my post and understood what I said, that answer should be clear. I will discuss more in another post, as per your request.
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