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Post by Jindred on Jul 26, 2015 15:44:33 GMT -5
So your is your definition of intellect book smarts instead of applicable smarts then? By your definition then to be a pitcher or catcher you have to be incredibly intelligent. Especially a catcher, catchers call the entire pitching game for the most part and have to be on the exact same page as as many as 12 different pitchers on their team. They also have to learn every tendency for every batter on every team they face and call the proper pitches accordingly. Catchers spend hours upon hours reading up on opposing teams batters, and watching film. The pitcher also has to understand what the catcher is trying to do and as Saska pointed out have to learn to communicate via sign language. All batters also have to watch film on pitchers, learn their tendencies and pitches. So you are trying to say football isn't a reactionary sport? As soon as a play starts everything that happens after is read and reaction no different than baseball.. Really thats just sport in a nutshell. To say baseball requires very little brain power in the way of intellect is doing the sport and incredible disservice. You know what? Now understanding why Jeffb had to leave. I'm becoming less angry at him by the minute. You've not said a thing that argues anything I've said. Sports in a nutshell. THANKS!!!FYI, catchers don't call the entire pitching game. You don't think they get cues from anyone!?!? lmao You know what.. fuck it.. Every time I try to discuss something with you, you take as if I am attacking you. Which I am not, I am just trying to have a discussion, but unless I agree with you that never actually happens, which leads to no discussion at all... I say my differing opinion and you snap back as if I have just attacked you personally.. I don't get it!
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Post by Divebitch on Jul 26, 2015 16:32:49 GMT -5
You know what? Now understanding why Jeffb had to leave. I'm becoming less angry at him by the minute. You've not said a thing that argues anything I've said. Sports in a nutshell. THANKS!!!FYI, catchers don't call the entire pitching game. You don't think they get cues from anyone!?!? lmao You know what.. Which I am not, I am just trying to have a discussion, but unless I agree with you that never actually happens, which leads to no discussion at all... I say my differing opinion and you snap back as if I have just attacked you personally.. I don't get it! I had NO IDEA we ever had a "fuck it. Every time I try to discuss something with you, you take as if I am attacking you." I had no idea. No idea. Wasn't in my head, but apparently in yours. You gotta wonder why. Yeah, this will be no discussion at all.
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Post by MrCincinnati on Jul 26, 2015 17:41:44 GMT -5
I'm so glad Cowherd is gone. I listened to ESPN Radio a lot and I got tired of him. I'm not saying I hated his show, but they needed a fresh face, and now they will get one sooner rather than later.
As for Hulk Hogan, he deserved it. He's not that well respected as a guy anyway. I'm surprised Chris Jericho (Host for WWE Tough Enough) managed to put up with him on the show. Jericho never liked Hogan back in the WWE either, which I heard from his podcasts at one point. It will be interesting to see who replaces Hogan as a judge on the show.
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Post by Juggs on Jul 26, 2015 18:58:34 GMT -5
What the he'll happened to Jeff? Did he leave or get banned?
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Post by Divebitch on Jul 26, 2015 19:11:52 GMT -5
What the he'll happened to Jeff? Did he leave or get banned? He left. I don't think anyone gets banned here. You can probably guess why. EDIT: This is not a quiz. I won't try to explain, nor do I even know.
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Post by MrCincinnati on Jul 26, 2015 19:24:15 GMT -5
Oh wow, I didn't even notice Jeff deleted his profile. This is sad news. I am confident he will be back. I will tell you from experience, time heals all wounds. It's not a matter of if he will return, its a matter of when. But of course there is no timetable to when someone decides to return. Jeff, if your reading this right now, hope everything is going alright for you. Taking a break from here is probably what you need right now. I, as well as everyone else will welcome you back in open arms, just as you guys did for me.
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Post by saskabronco on Jul 26, 2015 22:54:40 GMT -5
I think you're over simplifying baseball. You don't just swing as hard as you can and hope for the best. A good batter will read how the defence is set up (and there are defensive schemes to some degree) and try to place the ball accordingly. Not every player swings for a homerun every at bat. Batters also need to read the pitch and have to react in an instant to know how to try and handle that pitch. Many times if the ball is close but not what they are looking for, they will intentionally foul the ball off to keep the at bat going. Catcher is probably the most difficult position though, in terms of having to understand each batter and call the pitches for the pitcher to throw. The pitcher and catcher basically have a quick discussion via sign language before every pitch. In terms of defensive schemes, based on the situation, fielders need to play a shift for a pull hitter, set up for a potential double play, prepare for a bunt or squeeze play, etc. Yes the coaches call signals, but how is that any different than football? Receivers don't plan out their own routes and run whatever they see fit. A coach or QB will call a play and the receiver runs what they are told. There are times where improvisation is required, but such is the case in every sport. Coaches need to be smart and so do some players in certain positions for any sport, but most players don't need to be super geniuses. Any high level sport requires memorization of designed plays, an ability to read and react to varying situations, time taken to understand your opponent's tendencies and an intense amount of training dedicated to the specific skills required for your position. Suggesting that baseball does not have the complexity of other sports just shows a lack of knowledge of the sport. Thanks for the well-thought out explanation, very kind of you. You might be surprised to learn that I used to follow baseball very closely, and already knew all that. The catcher waving off pitch signals, the outfield moving in, fouling off. Mattingly was KING at that - what do you call it, slugging percentage? No offense, but I've possibly forgotten more about baseball than...nevermind. lol So you're correct, I oversimplified it. Didn't want to write an essay to confuse the issue. Much of what you said echoed my sentiments, namely the abilities to read and react that come with innate abilities and honing of those basic skills. I still stand by my main assertion, that it is a simpler sport, and most plays are textbook. Few play options (vs. football), depending on outs, given personnel, etc.. But it's mostly a matter of execution. And that execution doesn't involve much brain power in the way of intellect. May involve a ton more precision, as far as timing and mechanics. But that's a different part of the brain. You used to follow baseball very closely? That makes you assume that you know SO much more than me? Given that you know nothing about my history with baseball, I think that is a completely arrogant thing to say... that you've possibly forgotten more about baseball than... So let's break this down. I grew up spending many summer nights as a young boy at the ball park watching my dad play, being bat boy for my dad's team and chasing foul balls around. I have played ball (T-Ball, Machine Pitch, Coach Pitch, then regular baseball) from when I was 4 years old until I was 18. My dad coached me many of those years and spent tons of extra time teaching me the intricacies of the game. For the last 5 years I have worked for our local ball team over the summer running the music for the games; but I also sit next to the statisticians and help them when it comes to discussing controversial play calls. Baseball has been a major part of my life. I don't know your entire history, but if you just "followed it closely" I'd say that you probably know a lot less than me. There is a big difference being a fan of a game and being a player. You said to Jin that you can see why Jeff left here, given how you are being challenged on something? If you can't handle being disagreed with on an online forum then you should avoid online forums. The fact that your opinion of baseball is based on a lack of knowledge of how the game is played justifies why people are disagreeing with you.
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Post by Divebitch on Jul 27, 2015 12:52:23 GMT -5
Oh wow, I didn't even notice Jeff deleted his profile. This is sad news. I am confident he will be back. I will tell you from experience, time heals all wounds. It's not a matter of if he will return, its a matter of when. But of course there is no timetable to when someone decides to return. Jeff, if your reading this right now, hope everything is going alright for you. Taking a break from here is probably what you need right now. I, as well as everyone else will welcome you back in open arms, just as you guys did for me. Thanks. I passed on your sentiments. I hope but don't think he'll be back though. He's not a kid, not subject to late night drunken rants, doesn't need a 'break' from here - at least that's my take. He's still active in Eddie's (Doc) Cut The Mustard and Graveyard private forums. Everyone here that is active in leagues we are in together are there. A snippet of what I sent some in a PM... "FWIW, I have zero intention of leaving here, or posting more at CTM unless it involves the league. There may be a few assholes, but there are far more good people, some of them now in my leagues, and others I really enjoy, that I know would/will suffer a bit for the lack of good activity." When anyone leaves, even people you don't get on with, everyone suffers. He knows I'm hurt and angry, for Nascar alone. But that's really my problem, objective speaking. But I'm not about to post anything there outside league business, when there are 10 times more active human beings here. Thanks for the well-thought out explanation, very kind of you. You might be surprised to learn that I used to follow baseball very closely, and already knew all that. The catcher waving off pitch signals, the outfield moving in, fouling off. Mattingly was KING at that - what do you call it, slugging percentage? No offense, but I've possibly forgotten more about baseball than...nevermind. lol So you're correct, I oversimplified it. Didn't want to write an essay to confuse the issue. Much of what you said echoed my sentiments, namely the abilities to read and react that come with innate abilities and honing of those basic skills. I still stand by my main assertion, that it is a simpler sport, and most plays are textbook. Few play options (vs. football), depending on outs, given personnel, etc.. But it's mostly a matter of execution. And that execution doesn't involve much brain power in the way of intellect. May involve a ton more precision, as far as timing and mechanics. But that's a different part of the brain. You used to follow baseball very closely? That makes you assume that you know SO much more than me? Given that you know nothing about my history with baseball, I think that is a completely arrogant thing to say... that you've possibly forgotten more about baseball than... So let's break this down. I grew up spending many summer nights as a young boy at the ball park watching my dad play, being bat boy for my dad's team and chasing foul balls around. I have played ball (T-Ball, Machine Pitch, Coach Pitch, then regular baseball) from when I was 4 years old until I was 18. My dad coached me many of those years and spent tons of extra time teaching me the intricacies of the game. For the last 5 years I have worked for our local ball team over the summer running the music for the games; but I also sit next to the statisticians and help them when it comes to discussing controversial play calls. Baseball has been a major part of my life. I don't know your entire history, but if you just "followed it closely" I'd say that you probably know a lot less than me. There is a big difference being a fan of a game and being a player. Holy crap. I thanked you for your explanation, and agreed on many points. Wasn't enough. You twist and turn it into this. A long tirade on something I did not say, nor would have. If addressing you or anyone, I would have said 'forgotten what most people ever knew'. Made a joke using a hackneyed line/saying, and inserted a 'nevermind'. I was more than a casual fan, watching every Yankee game I could from mid 70s thru 80s, attending many Cubs and White Sox games as well. Frankly baseball started to bore the crap outta me when not a diehard fan of Chicago teams to watch. Never been the same with football. Any good matchup is exciting to me. I stand behind every word about the requisite 'intelligence' factors to excel at most NFL positions pound for pound. I refuse to repeat myself about what I believe are the different types of skills/intelligence required for the 2 sports. Baseball is a game of finesse. Few can excel, but not rocket science. You never acknowledge any of my salient points, instead choosing to focus on the bizarre. IDK what's wrong with you. I didn't mean at all for this to be a pissing match on who knows more about baseball. You win, okay? You win. And yes, there's a diff between playing the game and being a fan. IDK if you're aware that many sports announcers have never played the game. So all female sportscasters in the big 4 are clueless? Any male that makes it to Class A level is superior in knowledge to every female and anyone who was not fast or strong enough to make it in little league? Harry Caray, entertaining Cubs MLB star, never played a game.
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Post by saskabronco on Jul 27, 2015 20:08:34 GMT -5
You used to follow baseball very closely? That makes you assume that you know SO much more than me? Given that you know nothing about my history with baseball, I think that is a completely arrogant thing to say... that you've possibly forgotten more about baseball than... So let's break this down. I grew up spending many summer nights as a young boy at the ball park watching my dad play, being bat boy for my dad's team and chasing foul balls around. I have played ball (T-Ball, Machine Pitch, Coach Pitch, then regular baseball) from when I was 4 years old until I was 18. My dad coached me many of those years and spent tons of extra time teaching me the intricacies of the game. For the last 5 years I have worked for our local ball team over the summer running the music for the games; but I also sit next to the statisticians and help them when it comes to discussing controversial play calls. Baseball has been a major part of my life. I don't know your entire history, but if you just "followed it closely" I'd say that you probably know a lot less than me. There is a big difference being a fan of a game and being a player. Holy crap. I thanked you for your explanation, and agreed on many points. Wasn't enough. You twist and turn it into this. A long tirade on something I did not say, nor would have. If addressing you or anyone, I would have said 'forgotten what most people ever knew'. Made a joke using a hackneyed line/saying, and inserted a 'nevermind'. I was more than a casual fan, watching every Yankee game I could from mid 70s thru 80s, attending many Cubs and White Sox games as well. Frankly baseball started to bore the crap outta me when not a diehard fan of Chicago teams to watch. Never been the same with football. Any good matchup is exciting to me. I stand behind every word about the requisite 'intelligence' factors to excel at most NFL positions pound for pound. I refuse to repeat myself about what I believe are the different types of skills/intelligence required for the 2 sports. Baseball is a game of finesse. Few can excel, but not rocket science. You never acknowledge any of my salient points, instead choosing to focus on the bizarre. IDK what's wrong with you. I didn't mean at all for this to be a pissing match on who knows more about baseball. You win, okay? You win. And yes, there's a diff between playing the game and being a fan. IDK if you're aware that many sports announcers have never played the game. So all female sportscasters in the big 4 are clueless? Any male that makes it to Class A level is superior in knowledge to every female and anyone who was not fast or strong enough to make it in little league? Harry Caray, entertaining Cubs MLB star, never played a game. I've never said you can't know a sport without playing it, I said there is a big difference between being a player and a fan. If you've never played the game then it takes a lot more to really understand the fine points of the game. The things you have to do as a batter and pitcher and fielder to prepare, adapt and react to every play takes intelligence. I don't care if, in your opinion, baseball players don't need to be intelligent to play. In that instance, your opinion is incorrect because it does require intelligence to varying degrees for different positions. The way you wrote that earlier comment, the "I've probably forgotten more tha... Never mind" really sounded like you were taking a shot a me and claiming that you know way more about baseball than me. I apologize if I misinterpreted that. Also so the comment about women is just absurd. Women still play the big four sports. They can still understand what it takes to play the sports. Non-athletes can make great announcers and analysts as well, but who's opinion are you going to value more when it comes to discussing what goes through a QB's mind on an all out defensive blitz: Kurt Warner or Chris Burman? Game experience makes pele more qualified to discuss specific things that someone can only know from experience. You can have it described to you but it would be far more beneficial to have experienced it on your own.
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Post by Jindred on Jul 28, 2015 1:49:45 GMT -5
You know what.. Which I am not, I am just trying to have a discussion, but unless I agree with you that never actually happens, which leads to no discussion at all... I say my differing opinion and you snap back as if I have just attacked you personally.. I don't get it! I had NO IDEA we ever had a "fuck it. Every time I try to discuss something with you, you take as if I am attacking you." I had no idea. No idea. Wasn't in my head, but apparently in yours. You gotta wonder why. Yeah, this will be no discussion at all. Only when its something we disagree on. It happens infrequently, but it has happened enough that I am choosing to just stop trying to discuss these things, as for some reason it always gets taken as an attack, and its never meant as such. I can't figure out how to respond that you won't take it as such in these instances, so I figure its just better for me to shut up and leave it be...
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