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Post by Morkim on Jul 24, 2015 16:25:05 GMT -5
Kelce a 91? Did he make any spetacular catch during the season that I'm not aware of? He made several. lol
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Post by mitch9234 on Jul 24, 2015 16:31:56 GMT -5
Kelce a 91? Did he make any spetacular catch during the season that I'm not aware of? He made several. lol I guess Madden is very interested in that, because they put him ahead of Antonio Gates, Martellus Bennett and Delanie Walker who had better stats.
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Post by cityofchamps on Jul 24, 2015 16:36:51 GMT -5
I guess Madden is very interested in that, because they put him ahead of Antonio Gates, Martellus Bennett and Delanie Walker who had better stats. I am VERY surprised Delanie Walker is not in the Top 5. I would at least put him above Kelce. Gates and Bennett are questionable...
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Post by Morkim on Jul 24, 2015 16:38:45 GMT -5
I guess Madden is very interested in that, because they put him ahead of Antonio Gates, Martellus Bennett and Delanie Walker who had better stats. Walker didn't have better stats. Gates and Bennett had more yards and TDs with more targets. Gates scored 7 more TDs. But He was targeted more, and he is the Chargers Redzone guy. Bennett was just targeted -alot- more. (33 times more). So of course he'll produce more. Efficiency stats I think lean more towards Kelce. And he clearly has higher upside than Gates or Bennett at this point in the careers.
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Post by Morkim on Jul 24, 2015 16:40:56 GMT -5
I guess Madden is very interested in that, because they put him ahead of Antonio Gates, Martellus Bennett and Delanie Walker who had better stats. I am VERY surprised Delanie Walker is not in the Top 5. I would at least put him above Kelce. Gates and Bennett are questionable... Walker was targeted 106 times. He caught 63 of them. Kelce was targeted 87 times and caught 67 of them. Walker had... what? 29 more yards? And 1 less TD? They were pretty equal statistically.
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Post by Juggs on Jul 24, 2015 16:49:59 GMT -5
I guess Madden is very interested in that, because they put him ahead of Antonio Gates, Martellus Bennett and Delanie Walker who had better stats. I am VERY surprised Delanie Walker is not in the Top 5. I would at least put him above Kelce. Gates and Bennett are questionable... There's no way any Tennessee player is going to get any love. Mariota got ranked lowly even though he's barely even a Titan yet. Delanie Walker could catch 130 passes for 1800 yards and he'd be third behind Gronk and Graham just based on name recognition. I don't expect there will be a single Tennessee player on any top 10 (much less top 5) list all offseason. Why, well, partially because the team isn't very good and isn't very marketable, but mostly because it contradicts popular narratives for the favored-son teams in the division. We've been hearing for 2.5 years about Jacksonville's "turnaround" under a great coach in Gus Bradley while they haven't had a 6 win season since before the passage of Obamacare. We're constantly fed media hard-on for the one-man team that is JJ Watt, despite the fact that the Texans have actually been irrelevant and under-.500 for two years. Lastly, every story about anything that does or doesn't have to do with Indianapolis just writes itself because the sports journalism establishment has declared Andrew Luck the messiah. Look no further than his 3rd overall ranking on ESPN a few days ago, which implies that several of those people ranked him above Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, just based on their own need to be able to auto-write garbage and keep their jobs with doing any work. I do expect this to change soon. With Mariota becoming the media's probable next obsession and the Jaguars and Texans looking to fall over the edge into media-hardon obscurity, Jacksonville and Houston fans should probably be preparing for the sort of abuse that my franchise has been dealing with since we won the AFC 6 years ago in a moment of history that has been utterly whitewashed out of existence due to the reasons above. All in all, there's just no reason to expect any sort of reasonable coverage relating to pro football in Tennessee until we (because of Mariota) become part of the problem. The only way the problem of lazy reporting gets solved is if the reporters and writers themselves start abandoning lazy narratives, and that's never happened before. The only way it changes realistically for this franchise is if we become part of the problem and start reaping the spoils that come with that, and it looks like that's about to happen.
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Post by Morkim on Jul 24, 2015 16:53:48 GMT -5
I am VERY surprised Delanie Walker is not in the Top 5. I would at least put him above Kelce. Gates and Bennett are questionable... There's no way any Tennessee player is going to get any love. Mariota got ranked lowly even though he's barely even a Titan yet. Delanie Walker could catch 130 passes for 1800 yards and he'd be third behind Gronk and Graham just based on name recognition. I don't expect there will be a single Tennessee player on any top 10 (much less top 5) list all offseason. Why, well, partially because the team isn't very good and isn't very marketable, but mostly because it contradicts popular narratives for the favored-son teams in the division. We've been hearing for 2.5 years about Jacksonville's "turnaround" under a great coach in Gus Bradley while they haven't had a 6 win season since before the passage of Obamacare. We're constantly fed media hard-on for the one-man team that is JJ Watt, despite the fact that the Texans have actually been irrelevant and under-.500 for two years. Lastly, every story about anything that does or doesn't have to do with Indianapolis just writes itself because the sports journalism establishment has declared Andrew Luck the messiah. Look no further than his 3rd overall ranking on ESPN a few days ago, which implies that several of those people ranked him above Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, just based on their own need to be able to auto-write garbage and keep their jobs with doing any work. I do expect this to change soon. With Mariota becoming the media's probable next obsession and the Jaguars and Texans looking to fall over the edge into media-hardon obscurity, Jacksonville and Houston fans should probably be preparing for the sort of abuse that my franchise has been dealing with since we won the AFC 6 years ago in a moment of history that has been utterly whitewashed out of existence due to the reasons above. All in all, there's just no reason to expect any sort of reasonable coverage relating to pro football in Tennessee until we (because of Mariota) become part of the problem. The only way the problem of lazy reporting gets solved is if the reporters and writers themselves start abandoning lazy narratives, and that's never happened before. The only way it changes realistically for this franchise is if we become part of the problem and start reaping the spoils that come with that, and it looks like that's about to happen. lol
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Post by cityofchamps on Jul 24, 2015 16:56:08 GMT -5
I am VERY surprised Delanie Walker is not in the Top 5. I would at least put him above Kelce. Gates and Bennett are questionable... There's no way any Tennessee player is going to get any love. Mariota got ranked lowly even though he's barely even a Titan yet. Delanie Walker could catch 130 passes for 1800 yards and he'd be third behind Gronk and Graham just based on name recognition. I don't expect there will be a single Tennessee player on any top 10 (much less top 5) list all offseason. Why, well, partially because the team isn't very good and isn't very marketable, but mostly because it contradicts popular narratives for the favored-son teams in the division. We've been hearing for 2.5 years about Jacksonville's "turnaround" under a great coach in Gus Bradley while they haven't had a 6 win season since before the passage of Obamacare. We're constantly fed media hard-on for the one-man team that is JJ Watt, despite the fact that the Texans have actually been irrelevant and under-.500 for two years. Lastly, every story about anything that does or doesn't have to do with Indianapolis just writes itself because the sports journalism establishment has declared Andrew Luck the messiah. Look no further than his 3rd overall ranking on ESPN a few days ago, which implies that several of those people ranked him above Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, just based on their own need to be able to auto-write garbage and keep their jobs with doing any work. I do expect this to change soon. With Mariota becoming the media's probable next obsession and the Jaguars and Texans looking to fall over the edge into media-hardon obscurity, Jacksonville and Houston fans should probably be preparing for the sort of abuse that my franchise has been dealing with since we won the AFC 6 years ago in a moment of history that has been utterly whitewashed out of existence due to the reasons above. All in all, there's just no reason to expect any sort of reasonable coverage relating to pro football in Tennessee until we (because of Mariota) become part of the problem. The only way the problem of lazy reporting gets solved is if the reporters and writers themselves start abandoning lazy narratives, and that's never happened before. The only way it changes realistically for this franchise is if we become part of the problem and start reaping the spoils that come with that, and it looks like that's about to happen. I think their reasoning is that Walker's stats might have gotten inflated because he was basically the SOLE impact position player on their Offense last year. Everyone else was just average enough to act as duct tape and keep them from being embarrassing.
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Post by mitch9234 on Jul 24, 2015 16:58:52 GMT -5
I guess Madden is very interested in that, because they put him ahead of Antonio Gates, Martellus Bennett and Delanie Walker who had better stats. Walker didn't have better stats. Gates and Bennett had more yards and TDs with more targets. Gates scored 7 more TDs. But He was targeted more, and he is the Chargers Redzone guy. Bennett was just targeted -alot- more. (33 times more). So of course he'll produce more. Efficiency stats I think lean more towards Kelce. And he clearly has higher upside than Gates or Bennett at this point in the careers. So what they were targeted more? If we're going by receptions per target, then Kelce was one of the best TEs, better than Gronkowski and Graham. Walker was targeted more, and he was the team leader in targets, receptions and yards.
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Post by mitch9234 on Jul 24, 2015 17:00:59 GMT -5
I guess Madden is very interested in that, because they put him ahead of Antonio Gates, Martellus Bennett and Delanie Walker who had better stats. I am VERY surprised Delanie Walker is not in the Top 5. I would at least put him above Kelce. Gates and Bennett are questionable... Why? Three of those players played before and performed well this season and before too. And Kelce gets 5th best TE off just one year? I'm more surprised with Gates not in the top 5.
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