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Post by Juggs on Mar 12, 2016 14:36:26 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing the rumors that we might take Ramsey without a trade. I'd say Tunsil 40%, trade 40% Bosa 15%, Ramsey 5%. We do need a safety though. Hopefully we'll sign Johnson or Delmas.
And we signed Al Woods this morning so butler is an absolute no go. I would look at Doctson, Ifedi and Elliot, based on your board.
I'll put my own update out this week.
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Post by MarchingOn on Mar 12, 2016 15:03:24 GMT -5
The Saints signed Coby Fleener a few days ago, so I doubt we're looking for a TE in the high rounds anymore.
And personally, I prefer Will Fuller to Treadwell. But to each his own. I would certainly be happy with Treadwell too.
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Post by cityofchamps on Mar 12, 2016 22:10:16 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing the rumors that we might take Ramsey without a trade. I'd say Tunsil 40%, trade 40% Bosa 15%, Ramsey 5%. We do need a safety though. Hopefully we'll sign Johnson or Delmas. And we signed Al Woods this morning so butler is an absolute no go. I would look at Doctson, Ifedi and Elliot, based on your board. I'll put my own update out this week. No one wants to trade up to the #1 overall pick anymore. You were practically convinced they would trade the #2 last year as well. The last actual straight up trade for the #1 overall pick was in 2001 (2004 for Eli doesn't count because he was selected by SD first before the trade). I can almost guarantee that no one will trade for the #1 overall pick this year. Trades like RG3 have turned teams off from betting the farm, which is what it might take to get it. If you think there is a 40% chance of trading the #1 pick you are going to be disappointed most likely unless some team is desperate enough to make a ridiculous offer. I'd honestly say there was a less than 5% chance of it being traded. Also you say Butler is a no-go because you just re-signed Woods (who is basically a rotational player who is starting out of necessity) yet you think you should Draft Elliot even though you just traded for DeMarco Murray and have Antonio Andrews as backup?
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Post by Juggs on Mar 12, 2016 22:43:07 GMT -5
Wrong on so many things in that post and I'm on my phone so I can't correct them all.
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Post by EagleDomiKnation on Mar 13, 2016 23:57:03 GMT -5
Wrong on so many things in that post and I'm on my phone so I can't correct them all. Only thing wrong i see is that CoC thinks you'd like Elliott... Which I doubt now that you have Murray. Everything else is spot on...no way the #1 pick is going anywhere unless Tennessee takes it in the ass.
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Post by Juggs on Mar 18, 2016 11:55:31 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing the rumors that we might take Ramsey without a trade. I'd say Tunsil 40%, trade 40% Bosa 15%, Ramsey 5%. We do need a safety though. Hopefully we'll sign Johnson or Delmas. And we signed Al Woods this morning so butler is an absolute no go. I would look at Doctson, Ifedi and Elliot, based on your board. I'll put my own update out this week. No one wants to trade up to the #1 overall pick anymore. You were practically convinced they would trade the #2 last year as well. The last actual straight up trade for the #1 overall pick was in 2001 (2004 for Eli doesn't count because he was selected by SD first before the trade). I can almost guarantee that no one will trade for the #1 overall pick this year. Trades like RG3 have turned teams off from betting the farm, which is what it might take to get it. If you think there is a 40% chance of trading the #1 pick you are going to be disappointed most likely unless some team is desperate enough to make a ridiculous offer. I'd honestly say there was a less than 5% chance of it being traded. Also you say Butler is a no-go because you just re-signed Woods (who is basically a rotational player who is starting out of necessity) yet you think you should Draft Elliot even though you just traded for DeMarco Murray and have Antonio Andrews as backup? First, the Titans not accepting one of the many offers they got last year doesn’t mean anything in regards to this year. Of all the things that might sway teams to offer Tennessee for the #1, and for them to accept, things that happened in the last decade are completely meaningless. You make it sound like I was alone in thinking the Titans would trade. That was a very common perception for weeks leading up to the draft. And I was right that they got multiple offers. Not that it really matters, since again, that means nothing this year. I can’t believe you can read what I wrote and think that I’m looking for a ridiculous offer. I said myself that the Titans don’t need to be aggressive or seek a great value or an RGIII-esque trade. They don’t need anything close to that to pull the trigger. It obviously depends on the distance that they’re moving down, but modest pricing and maybe even less than the Cowboys trade chart from ’94 would get the job done. That’s because there are guys like Stanley and Conklin and Hargreaves who are going to be there at the bottom of the top 10 who I think the Titans would be thrilled to trade down for and get. Beyond that, a trade down has gotten significantly less likely than it used to be because of the apparent rise of Carson Wentz’ draft stock. With two QBs available and two teams in the top 10 who openly want a QB, it would make sense that they’ll just wait, unless San Francisco is in love with one and wouldn’t draft the other. That’s why I think it’s less than a 50% chance. Before Wentz became a top-10 pick, there would almost certainly have been a bidding war between Cleveland and San Francisco. Now it might not happen, but it still could if they both want the same guy and are willing to mortgage some late picks. You’re totally wrong about Al Woods. And that’s fine, because I wouldn’t expect you to watch the Titans last year or try and evaluate how good our nose tackle was. But he was excellent in 2015 and had a career revival year. He came in as the backup, Hill got injured (and just left in FA), and won the job immediately with stellar play against the run and pass. He played 100% of NT snaps after Hill got hurt, and he is our future at the position even at age 31. It’s true we do need a backup since Hill left, but we won’t get a backup in round two when we need starters at two positions on the offensive line. I honestly laughed that you think Antonio Andrews is either a backup or a factor in the Titans draft plans. He’s strictly a goal-line back and backup full back. He was maybe the worst runningback in the NFL last season and was pushed all the way to fourth on the depth chart at the end of the season. Sankey and Cobb are clearly both ahead of him, and McCluster still might be depending on how much Mularkley likes him. It’s a straight miracle for him and his family that he got a one year, vet minimum deal, but that is because we have a new GM and oodles of cap space. Would we draft Zeke Elliot? Almost certainly not. But you unbelievably have him in the second round, and my comment was just reflecting how much of a joke that is. If he seriously is there, every war room in the NFL would be like, “shit what do we have on this guy?” because no one thinks he’ll be there. He’s a top 15 pick, and a first round lock. At that point, in round two, the Titans would consider him just because he’s by far the best player left on your board, not because we have any positional need at RB. Murray and Elliot would certainly be the league’s best tandem on paper though. The best thing is, I didn’t say we should draft Elliot. That was all you. We would obviously draft an offensive tackle there. We don’t have any right tackle on our entire roster right now. But yeah… pass that up for a backup nose tackle who’s sitting behind one of our best defenders and worry about our fourth running back instead. I hope it doesn’t come off as if I’m insulted that you know nothing about my team. It’s fine. We were utter shit last year so you had no reason to watch our games other than our young QB and Delanie Walker, I guess. And if you just consume sports media regarding the team or judge our players by who they were on previous teams, you’ll be completely mislead since no one covers the Titans adequately and many of our best players have turned their careers around after not doing much on other teams, like Walker, Woods and Woodyard. But don’t act like you do know about the Titans draft plans or can really defend a boneheaded pick like going nose-tackle in the second round when I call you out on it, since I do know that that makes no sense at all, and I can explain why. EagleDomiKnation I just wanted to tag you here because you thought he was right about Andrews and Woods too. Thought it'd be a good read.
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Post by Morkim on Mar 18, 2016 12:07:40 GMT -5
No one wants to trade up to the #1 overall pick anymore. You were practically convinced they would trade the #2 last year as well. The last actual straight up trade for the #1 overall pick was in 2001 (2004 for Eli doesn't count because he was selected by SD first before the trade). I can almost guarantee that no one will trade for the #1 overall pick this year. Trades like RG3 have turned teams off from betting the farm, which is what it might take to get it. If you think there is a 40% chance of trading the #1 pick you are going to be disappointed most likely unless some team is desperate enough to make a ridiculous offer. I'd honestly say there was a less than 5% chance of it being traded. Also you say Butler is a no-go because you just re-signed Woods (who is basically a rotational player who is starting out of necessity) yet you think you should Draft Elliot even though you just traded for DeMarco Murray and have Antonio Andrews as backup? First, the Titans not accepting one of the many offers they got last year doesn’t mean anything in regards to this year. Of all the things that might sway teams to offer Tennessee for the #1, and for them to accept, things that happened in the last decade are completely meaningless. You make it sound like I was alone in thinking the Titans would trade. That was a very common perception for weeks leading up to the draft. And I was right that they got multiple offers. Not that it really matters, since again, that means nothing this year. I can’t believe you can read what I wrote and think that I’m looking for a ridiculous offer. I said myself that the Titans don’t need to be aggressive or seek a great value or an RGIII-esque trade. They don’t need anything close to that to pull the trigger. It obviously depends on the distance that they’re moving down, but modest pricing and maybe even less than the Cowboys trade chart from ’94 would get the job done. That’s because there are guys like Stanley and Conklin and Hargreaves who are going to be there at the bottom of the top 10 who I think the Titans would be thrilled to trade down for and get. Beyond that, a trade down has gotten significantly less likely than it used to be because of the apparent rise of Carson Wentz’ draft stock. With two QBs available and two teams in the top 10 who openly want a QB, it would make sense that they’ll just wait, unless San Francisco is in love with one and wouldn’t draft the other. That’s why I think it’s less than a 50% chance. Before Wentz became a top-10 pick, there would almost certainly have been a bidding war between Cleveland and San Francisco. Now it might not happen, but it still could if they both want the same guy and are willing to mortgage some late picks. You’re totally wrong about Al Woods. And that’s fine, because I wouldn’t expect you to watch the Titans last year or try and evaluate how good our nose tackle was. But he was excellent in 2015 and had a career revival year. He came in as the backup, Hill got injured (and just left in FA), and won the job immediately with stellar play against the run and pass. He played 100% of NT snaps after Hill got hurt, and he is our future at the position even at age 31. It’s true we do need a backup since Hill left, but we won’t get a backup in round two when we need starters at two positions on the offensive line. I honestly laughed that you think Antonio Andrews is either a backup or a factor in the Titans draft plans. He’s strictly a goal-line back and backup full back. He was maybe the worst runningback in the NFL last season and was pushed all the way to fourth on the depth chart at the end of the season. Sankey and Cobb are clearly both ahead of him, and McCluster still might be depending on how much Mularkley likes him. It’s a straight miracle for him and his family that he got a one year, vet minimum deal, but that is because we have a new GM and oodles of cap space. Would we draft Zeke Elliot? Almost certainly not. But you unbelievably have him in the second round, and my comment was just reflecting how much of a joke that is. If he seriously is there, every war room in the NFL would be like, “shit what do we have on this guy?” because no one thinks he’ll be there. He’s a top 15 pick, and a first round lock. At that point, in round two, the Titans would consider him just because he’s by far the best player left on your board, not because we have any positional need at RB. Murray and Elliot would certainly be the league’s best tandem on paper though. The best thing is, I didn’t say we should draft Elliot. That was all you. We would obviously draft an offensive tackle there. We don’t have any right tackle on our entire roster right now. But yeah… pass that up for a backup nose tackle who’s sitting behind one of our best defenders and worry about our fourth running back instead. I hope it doesn’t come off as if I’m insulted that you know nothing about my team. It’s fine. We were utter shit last year so you had no reason to watch our games other than our young QB and Delanie Walker, I guess. And if you just consume sports media regarding the team or judge our players by who they were on previous teams, you’ll be completely mislead since no one covers the Titans adequately and many of our best players have turned their careers around after not doing much on other teams, like Walker, Woods and Woodyard. But don’t act like you do know about the Titans draft plans or can really defend a boneheaded pick like going nose-tackle in the second round when I call you out on it, since I do know that that makes no sense at all, and I can explain why. EagleDomiKnation I just wanted to tag you here because you thought he was right about Andrews and Woods too. Thought it'd be a good read. Woodyard was really good at Denver too. He didn't exactly "turn it around" with the Titans.
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Post by Juggs on Mar 18, 2016 12:14:40 GMT -5
First, the Titans not accepting one of the many offers they got last year doesn’t mean anything in regards to this year. Of all the things that might sway teams to offer Tennessee for the #1, and for them to accept, things that happened in the last decade are completely meaningless. You make it sound like I was alone in thinking the Titans would trade. That was a very common perception for weeks leading up to the draft. And I was right that they got multiple offers. Not that it really matters, since again, that means nothing this year. I can’t believe you can read what I wrote and think that I’m looking for a ridiculous offer. I said myself that the Titans don’t need to be aggressive or seek a great value or an RGIII-esque trade. They don’t need anything close to that to pull the trigger. It obviously depends on the distance that they’re moving down, but modest pricing and maybe even less than the Cowboys trade chart from ’94 would get the job done. That’s because there are guys like Stanley and Conklin and Hargreaves who are going to be there at the bottom of the top 10 who I think the Titans would be thrilled to trade down for and get. Beyond that, a trade down has gotten significantly less likely than it used to be because of the apparent rise of Carson Wentz’ draft stock. With two QBs available and two teams in the top 10 who openly want a QB, it would make sense that they’ll just wait, unless San Francisco is in love with one and wouldn’t draft the other. That’s why I think it’s less than a 50% chance. Before Wentz became a top-10 pick, there would almost certainly have been a bidding war between Cleveland and San Francisco. Now it might not happen, but it still could if they both want the same guy and are willing to mortgage some late picks. You’re totally wrong about Al Woods. And that’s fine, because I wouldn’t expect you to watch the Titans last year or try and evaluate how good our nose tackle was. But he was excellent in 2015 and had a career revival year. He came in as the backup, Hill got injured (and just left in FA), and won the job immediately with stellar play against the run and pass. He played 100% of NT snaps after Hill got hurt, and he is our future at the position even at age 31. It’s true we do need a backup since Hill left, but we won’t get a backup in round two when we need starters at two positions on the offensive line. I honestly laughed that you think Antonio Andrews is either a backup or a factor in the Titans draft plans. He’s strictly a goal-line back and backup full back. He was maybe the worst runningback in the NFL last season and was pushed all the way to fourth on the depth chart at the end of the season. Sankey and Cobb are clearly both ahead of him, and McCluster still might be depending on how much Mularkley likes him. It’s a straight miracle for him and his family that he got a one year, vet minimum deal, but that is because we have a new GM and oodles of cap space. Would we draft Zeke Elliot? Almost certainly not. But you unbelievably have him in the second round, and my comment was just reflecting how much of a joke that is. If he seriously is there, every war room in the NFL would be like, “shit what do we have on this guy?” because no one thinks he’ll be there. He’s a top 15 pick, and a first round lock. At that point, in round two, the Titans would consider him just because he’s by far the best player left on your board, not because we have any positional need at RB. Murray and Elliot would certainly be the league’s best tandem on paper though. The best thing is, I didn’t say we should draft Elliot. That was all you. We would obviously draft an offensive tackle there. We don’t have any right tackle on our entire roster right now. But yeah… pass that up for a backup nose tackle who’s sitting behind one of our best defenders and worry about our fourth running back instead. I hope it doesn’t come off as if I’m insulted that you know nothing about my team. It’s fine. We were utter shit last year so you had no reason to watch our games other than our young QB and Delanie Walker, I guess. And if you just consume sports media regarding the team or judge our players by who they were on previous teams, you’ll be completely mislead since no one covers the Titans adequately and many of our best players have turned their careers around after not doing much on other teams, like Walker, Woods and Woodyard. But don’t act like you do know about the Titans draft plans or can really defend a boneheaded pick like going nose-tackle in the second round when I call you out on it, since I do know that that makes no sense at all, and I can explain why. EagleDomiKnation I just wanted to tag you here because you thought he was right about Andrews and Woods too. Thought it'd be a good read. Woodyard was really good at Denver too. He didn't exactly "turn it around" with the Titans. That's a very good ppint. What I meant was that he sucked in Tennessee in 2014 and got benched, and then turned his career around last season. But most people probably can't follow that because obvoiusly no one reports the Titans.
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Post by cityofchamps on Mar 18, 2016 22:13:04 GMT -5
Updated
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Post by MarchingOn on Mar 19, 2016 12:35:44 GMT -5
Plz no. Noah Spence is destined to bust. I would like edge rushers (though do we prioritize them over WR?), but hopefully the Saints 100% stay away from Spence.
Excellent 2nd round pick with Garnett.
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