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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 21:25:02 GMT -5
HAHA The gooberment. We have a new term. Good job Craig
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Post by saskabronco on Feb 17, 2015 21:35:32 GMT -5
My smileys don't work. Dang guberment. . Obamacare has inrolled millions of new people. But no new doctors. This is affecting Marlene directly. The wait to get in has gone to a few months. Kind of like what I used to hear Canada is like. And I have to renew my drivers license. Haven't had to go in in a long long time. I have to go get a new picture and take an eye test. It's senior citizen abuse I tell ya. Any way the line at the DMV is hours and hours long. All the illegals can get licenses now. And THERE ARE HUNDREDS EVERY DAY. I'll make an appointment. Gotta go before my birthday. So this post is agreeing with Jeff that the guberment is messing things up. By the way I like this thread. We have come a long way to knowing each other. We now know what to expect and don't need to bitch at each other. Well maybe we will some. Other wise how boring. There are always going to be things any government does that you don't agree with. Are you saying that things were much better under Bush, and that Obama's policies have specifically caused things to get worse? Or is there a trade off where somethings are not as good as they once were while others are better? I feel like people are inclined to always think things were better in the past, but in reality there are many things in America that have improved significantly. Health care is one of those. It may have impacted a small portion of people in a negative way, but the massive majority are much better off now than they were 6 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 22:07:25 GMT -5
Things were probably equally as bad under Bush. Pick your poison,I guess.
If the left aint screwing things up,the right is.
So yeah...Its a trade off. I call it a dog and pony show.
But honestly...I didnt mean to sit here and be my normal gooberment hating self. haha
TBH...if we had a red president we would probably be looking at Armageddon right now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 22:10:23 GMT -5
I didn't say anything about Obama other than saying Obamacare. I haven't been to the doctor in over ten years. Marlene has issues and so yes I am saying the care for her has gone way down.
But my daughter with the kidney disease had a pre existing condition. So she did get insurance due to ACA the few years in college. She now works at a hospital so she gets insurance thru her job. Which was always okay with pre existing conditions during open enrollment.
I do not like all the Arabs that took over my town. And then all the Mexicans. Its not that I don't like them individually. Its that the town has gone to chit. And that is no lie. Gangs etc. Was never like that as I grew up. We have the second most refugies in the USA, behind Detroit. I'm a dieing breed. I should be on the endangered list.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 22:14:51 GMT -5
I pay for insurance under the ACA. But I wont ever see a return on it.
Its worthless as the paper its printed on.
5,000 bucks deductible.
5,000 bucks.
5,000.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 22:23:52 GMT -5
I know the deductibles are crazy. You better have a heart attack or something.
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Post by saskabronco on Feb 17, 2015 23:30:22 GMT -5
I pay for insurance under the ACA. But I wont ever see a return on it. Its worthless as the paper its printed on. 5,000 bucks deductible. 5,000 bucks. 5,000. Is that worse than what was available before it? Do you know what some treatments cost for certain illnesses? If you get cancer, you could end up have bills over $100,000 easily. There are many diseases that cost tons of money. $5,000 is high, but that could save you thousands and thousands of dollars some day. I agree that the ACA plan isn't the best plan, but that is because the Republicans at the time the bill was passed would never have gone for what the real plan was, which was a single payer system. Premiums are pretty high partly because drugs and treatments aren't cheap, but also because the ACA was forced to go through the insurance companies so that they could still turn a huge profit on everything. But I honestly don't get the outrage from everyone. Was it so much better before the ACA?
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Post by saskabronco on Feb 17, 2015 23:31:38 GMT -5
I know the deductibles are crazy. You better have a heart attack or something. The point of insurance is to protect you in a worst case scenario. The majority of people are never going to use it... that is why insurance companies are profitable and why they continue to exist. But in the off chance that you might have to use it, it could save your life or at least save you from losing everything.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 23:42:10 GMT -5
Saska YES it was way better before. I could go to the doctor anytime and pay twenty bucks. I still had the emergency stuff for fifty bucks. I could go in the hospital with cancer or anything and pay fifty bucks.
My daughter was on my plan. She could get a kidney transplant for fifty bucks. And the best treatment anywhere.
I paid six hundred a month. Now I don't qualify to pay that much. I can't have that insurance any more. As a matter of fact I don't qualify for much. I have to pay a big deductible. Which means I have no health care unless I have a catastrophy. That's not health care, that's death care. I think I'm one of the old white guys they want to die. But I won't go. haha.
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Post by saskabronco on Feb 17, 2015 23:46:08 GMT -5
Saska YES it was way better before. I could go to the doctor anytime and pay twenty bucks. I still had the emergency stuff for fifty bucks. I could go in the hospital with cancer or anything and pay fifty bucks. My daughter was on my plan. She could get a kidney transplant for fifty bucks. And the best treatment anywhere. I paid six hundred a month. Now I don't qualify to pay that much. I can't have that insurance any more. As a matter of fact I don't qualify for much. I have to pay a big deductible. Which means I have no health care unless I have a catastrophy. That's not health care, that's death care. I think I'm one of the old white guys they want to die. But I won't go. haha. That sucks that you lost your good plan. But the amount of people that couldn't afford, or couldn't qualify for good plans before because of pre-existing condition who are now able to have health insurance has gone way up. It always seems way worse when you are on the shitty side of things. On a personal level, in your instance, ACA seems like a bad thing... but for the overall country, the good has far outweighed the bad and a country has to be run based on an overall cost/benefit.
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