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Post by MarchingOn on Apr 12, 2016 20:35:08 GMT -5
Simply showing me that there's people who don't think it's a big deal isn't the same as what I said. Franklin goes into no detail about why he believes it's not a big deal in the article you linked. So I have no idea if his reasoning is reasonable or not (it's very likely not, just like your reasoning). Nice try though. With every article I have linked, you have either missed the point of why I linked it in the first place (like with the article from the TN journalist) or just blabbed random strawman crap with no substance, not actually attempting to provide counterpoints to anything. It's frustrating. You literally said no one reasonable actually believes this isn't a big deal. I linked a B1G coach basically saying it's not a big deal and he's okay with it. Gene Smith the Ohio State AD said he was "okay with" the ruling. He was the AD I was thinking of. I didn't miss the point of the last article. It's just villianizing the SEC. Those poor kids. Because it's all about the kids with the B1G. Unlike the SEC who is just about the money, or petty territorialism. Hahaha, wow.. You literally just keep saying the same shit. Like... Did you even read my post? Or do you just not understand? I guess I have to expand. Okay... To conclude if Franklin is being reasonable about this or not, the first thing we need to know is his reasoning behind his stance. We do NOT know this, at least not from the article you linked. So, we have no idea whatsoever if he's reasonable. Anybody saying he is or isn't is just making assumptions. You can't just always say "He believes this, therefore he's reasonable!" The articles I've linked have, in one way or another, literally expanded on their thoughts and provided logical reasons as to why the camp ban is an atrocious thing. I've yet to see you try to actually respond to any of them with anything other than "LOL PANDERING AND/OR SHITTING ON THE SEC BAD ARTICLE MO"... Just like you did (again) with this statement: ...Yes, yes you did miss the point with that article obviously if this is the response you mustered up. But anyways... I'd love to see you make an argument for why territorialism wasn't a big factor for the SEC wanting the ban closed (which I'm 99% positive you have actually admitted is likely the reason in the past. Switching gears now, I see.)
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Post by Morkim on Apr 12, 2016 20:44:02 GMT -5
You literally said no one reasonable actually believes this isn't a big deal. I linked a B1G coach basically saying it's not a big deal and he's okay with it. Gene Smith the Ohio State AD said he was "okay with" the ruling. He was the AD I was thinking of. I didn't miss the point of the last article. It's just villianizing the SEC. Those poor kids. Because it's all about the kids with the B1G. Unlike the SEC who is just about the money, or petty territorialism. Hahaha, wow.. You literally just keep saying the same shit. Like... Did you even read my post? Or do you just not understand? I guess I have to expand. Okay... To conclude if Franklin is being reasonable about this or not, the first thing we need to know is his reasoning behind his stance. We do NOT know this, at least not from the article you linked. So, we have no idea whatsoever if he's reasonable. Anybody saying he is or isn't is just making assumptions. You can't just always say "He believes this, therefore he's reasonable!" The articles I've linked have, in one way or another, literally expanded on their thoughts and provided logical reasons as to why the camp ban is an atrocious thing. I've yet to see you try to actually respond to any of them with anything other than "LOL PANDERING AND/OR SHITTING ON THE SEC BAD ARTICLE MO"... Just like you did (again) with this statement: ...Yes, yes you did miss the point with that article obviously if this is the response you mustered up. But anyways... I'd love to see you make an argument for why territorialism wasn't a big factor for the SEC wanting the ban closed (which I'm 99% positive you have actually admitted is likely the reason in the past. Switching gears now, I see.) Okay. So we are just assuming anyone agreeing with it is unreasonable unless they have bullet point reasons that you approve of to show why they're reasonable people. I don't care if the motives of the SEC was to protect their territories. When the hell have I said they weren't trying to protect themselves? I said prior that it's funny (ie not that funny) that the talent rich areas are more okay with the ban. Of course territory is part of their reasoning. I doubt it's all of it. But whatever. They don't care about the kids. Unlike the B1G who were going to these camps to get those 2 star kids exposure, ya? The vast majority of this feels like SEC hate pandering. Your article said to defend the Harbaugh that "anyone could do it" when that's not true. lol no SEC or ACC coach could have done it. Because the article writer doesn't really care. He just want to make people feel like this was just all about how the kids are getting screwed and the system is broken because how dare the NCAA close loopholes when conferences like the SEC and ACC wanna defend their territory.
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Post by MarchingOn on Apr 12, 2016 21:15:53 GMT -5
Hahaha, wow.. You literally just keep saying the same shit. Like... Did you even read my post? Or do you just not understand? I guess I have to expand. Okay... To conclude if Franklin is being reasonable about this or not, the first thing we need to know is his reasoning behind his stance. We do NOT know this, at least not from the article you linked. So, we have no idea whatsoever if he's reasonable. Anybody saying he is or isn't is just making assumptions. You can't just always say "He believes this, therefore he's reasonable!" The articles I've linked have, in one way or another, literally expanded on their thoughts and provided logical reasons as to why the camp ban is an atrocious thing. I've yet to see you try to actually respond to any of them with anything other than "LOL PANDERING AND/OR SHITTING ON THE SEC BAD ARTICLE MO"... Just like you did (again) with this statement: ...Yes, yes you did miss the point with that article obviously if this is the response you mustered up. But anyways... I'd love to see you make an argument for why territorialism wasn't a big factor for the SEC wanting the ban closed (which I'm 99% positive you have actually admitted is likely the reason in the past. Switching gears now, I see.) Okay. So we are just assuming anyone agreeing with it is unreasonable unless they have bullet point reasons that you approve of to show why they're reasonable people. I don't care if the motives of the SEC was to protect their territories. When the hell have I said they weren't trying to protect themselves? I said prior that it's funny (ie not that funny) that the talent rich areas are more okay with the ban. Of course territory is part of their reasoning. I doubt it's all of it. But whatever. They don't care about the kids. Unlike the B1G who were going to these camps to get those 2 star kids exposure, ya? The vast majority of this feels like SEC hate pandering. Your article said to defend the Harbaugh that "anyone could do it" when that's not true. lol no SEC or ACC coach could have done it. Because the article writer doesn't really care. He just want to make people feel like this was just all about how the kids are getting screwed and the system is broken because how dare the NCAA close loopholes when conferences like the SEC and ACC wanna defend their territory. lol You're trying to make it sound like I'm asking for so much. I mean.. I'm pretty sure that having actual, legitimate reasons for believing something, and defending those reasons, is par for the course in a debate. That's literally what an argument is. As far as I know, James Franklin has no reasons. Just a vapid belief, as far as I know. I'm not saying doesn't have reasons; I'm just not saying he does. Because you can't prove it either way. Funny how nobody agreeing with it can provide that. You look more and more foolish the more and more you keep saying the part I have bolded in your post, btw. Pretty sure I've said multiple times over the course of this argument that (for EVERY SCHOOL) the camps are purely for recruiting purposes. That's what the schools used them for. My point about the lesser kids (which I've repeated over and over again, but whatever. Clearly you don't understand, or you just choose to ignore it) is that they are the victims of the camp ban. That is who this hurts. In turn, it also hurts the lesser schools because lesser kids attend lesser schools obviously. The ban doesn't affect the powerhouses at all, but that's still no reason to fuck over the smaller schools/lesser kids by banning the camps for everyone.lol Okay... Be honest, Morkim... I'm not trying to be mean here. But did you actually read the article, or just merely skim it? I ask because the part you're referring to in your post (the "anyone could do it" part) is not even part of the author's (or Harbaugh's) argument. What you quoted, and are trying to use as part of your argument, is practically the writer's introduction to the article. His summary of what of satellite camps are, for people who may not know. He is wrong that "anybody could have done it", but that's irrelevant because, like I said, that's not even part of his argument. He's also wrong that Harbaugh is the one who came up with the idea, given that camps have been around forever. Harbaugh (Hint: the media covering Harbaugh) is who popularized camps, not invent. But that only means there's misinformation in his summary of satellite camps. lol. Neither of those things have nothing to do with what the author is arguing: That the camp ban really hurts borderline recruits and also shows that the NCAA doesn't care about student athletes. THAT, btw, is the point of his article. It's not SEC bashing like you keep trying to say. If anything, it's NCAA bashing. You really are being unreasonably defensive here about the SEC..
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Post by Morkim on Apr 12, 2016 21:23:33 GMT -5
GG MO. SEC are uncaring monsters. Fuck those guys.
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Post by MarchingOn on Apr 12, 2016 21:27:31 GMT -5
GG MO. SEC are uncaring monsters. Fuck those guys. Are you fucking kidding me? You're hopeless. I didn't slam the SEC at all in my post. Not even sure why I fucking argue with you sometimes.
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Post by inoccent on Apr 13, 2016 11:26:43 GMT -5
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