Miss Lacy
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Post by Miss Lacy on Jan 2, 2015 20:03:42 GMT -5
You all already know my vote. Go Badgers! Also-- this is a 3 part question. 2) Considering the low premiums placed on RBs these days, what round is the 1st RB taken in? 3) AND-- what team do you think drafts whom?
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Post by Morkim on Jan 2, 2015 20:06:17 GMT -5
You all already know my vote. Go Badgers! Also-- this is a 3 part question. 2) Considering the low premiums placed on RBs these days, what round is the 1st RB taken in? 3) AND-- what team do you think drafts whom? I think both are late first rounders. Carolina drafts the first RB.
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Post by MarchingOn on Jan 2, 2015 20:07:51 GMT -5
I don't see Gurley being first round with his torn ACL. And you can make the argument Gordon's a better RB than Gurley is anyways. So yeah, my answer is Gordon, and he'll almost certainly be a first rounder.
I could easily see the Vikings taking him at 11. If not, he won't get past the Panthers or the Colts at pick 25 and 26.
Also, people need to talk about Tevin Coleman more. He's a really good back. Doesn't get a lot of pub because he went to Indiana.
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Post by Morkim on Jan 2, 2015 20:13:49 GMT -5
I don't see Gurley being first round with his torn ACL. And you can make the argument Gordon's a better RB than Gurley is anyways. So yeah, my answer is Gordon, and he'll almost certainly be a first rounder. I could easily see the Vikings taking him at 11. If not, he won't get past the Panthers or the Colts at pick 25 and 26. The Panthers could pick as low as 21 with a loss.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2015 20:20:54 GMT -5
The Chargers are talking about a RB at 17. Tired of Mathews getting hurt.
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Post by MarchingOn on Jan 2, 2015 20:24:27 GMT -5
I don't see Gurley being first round with his torn ACL. And you can make the argument Gordon's a better RB than Gurley is anyways. So yeah, my answer is Gordon, and he'll almost certainly be a first rounder. I could easily see the Vikings taking him at 11. If not, he won't get past the Panthers or the Colts at pick 25 and 26. The Panthers could pick as low as 21 with a loss. True. I was just going off CoC's draft order.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2015 21:17:31 GMT -5
Hopefully the Raiders get one of them. I prefer M Gordon.
If they dont I may break my TV.
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Post by Juggs on Jan 2, 2015 22:03:45 GMT -5
I'm the only person here who voted for Gurley, and I know I made the case on here yesterday, but here is my argument:
Todd Gurley weighs 227 pounds. Marshawn Lynch weighs 215. Melvin Gordon weighs 204. We're talking about a new breed of power back right here. Gurley really can combine the power that Jerome Bettis ran with and the exclusivity of Chris Johnson or Bo Jackson. He's going to run the 40 at 4.3X once he's healthy, and Gordon probably won't break 4.30, so while Gordon is clearly faster in a straight line, the difference won't be dramatic. Todd Gurley is the better prospect in terms of talent alone, and very few dispute that. He was projected as a first round pick, somtimes a top 5 selection before his injury this year.
Melvin Gordon was an amazing runningback for Wisconsin. To put that in perspective, Jahvid Best was amazing for Cal, Reggie Bush was amazing for USC and Andre Williams was amazing for Boston College too, and Gordon doesn't scream more talented than any of them, despite them clearly not being great NFL talent. Many runningbacks who were amazing as amateurs don't pan out, and many who were not impressive in college like Chris Johnson, Jamaal Charles and Matt Forte end up becoming elite runningbacks in the NFL. I realize that it's hard to do forget how amazing Gordon was at Wisconsin because the season just ended, but I think in May, NFL teams who are MUCH smarter than me are going to come to the same conclusion that because Gurley is the better prospect if you ignore college production, then he's the first RB to go off the board.
The ONLY reason I see Gurley falling in the draft is his health. We still don't know his timetable and if he can't play next season, then of course he could fall past Gordon. I think he will be on the path to recovery to the point where a team will take him first. We saw with Marcus Lattimore that this wasn't the case. Lattimore wasn't a first round pick candidate even before his injury, and since the 49ers knew Gore was their starter anyway, they took him not extremely far after where he would have landed had he been totally recovered.
To wrap up, these players aren't being evaluated fairly. People see that Gordon was more productive in school than Gurley and assuming he'll go first, but that's clearly not what teams go by. Bishop Sankey was the first runningback taken ahead of Carlos Hyde and Jeremy Hill. Kellen Clemons and Case Keenum both went undrafted despite being the two best college QBs of all time. Skills and potential are 100% of the conversation, period. Gurley has comparable speed and exclusivity, but completely unique power compared to every other back in college right now. Gordon is more patient and finds holes that no one else can see, and he's VERY fast. Those things can make him great, but patience can be taught and if Gurley can demonstrate it, he's the more talented of the two backs.
Edit: On the other 2 questions, I think Gurley goes in the last 10 picks of round 1, Gordon goes at the end of round 2 or maybe the beginning if 3.
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Miss Lacy
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Post by Miss Lacy on Jan 3, 2015 0:55:45 GMT -5
Hopefully the Raiders get one of them. I prefer M Gordon. If they dont I may break my TV. That Murray kid is ok--- but Gordon would be SOOOOO MUCH better. One-Two-Punch? Hell-- Gordon spent 4 years propping up the Badgers even-less-than-mediocre passing offensive with QB Stave (think Cutler without Msrshall, Jeffrey, and a some times Bennett). Carr will LOVE HIM.
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Post by inoccent on Jan 3, 2015 10:08:12 GMT -5
I'm the only person here who voted for Gurley, and I know I made the case on here yesterday, but here is my argument: Todd Gurley weighs 227 pounds. Marshawn Lynch weighs 215. Melvin Gordon weighs 204. We're talking about a new breed of power back right here. Gurley really can combine the power that Jerome Bettis ran with and the exclusivity of Chris Johnson or Bo Jackson. He's going to run the 40 at 4.3X once he's healthy, and Gordon probably won't break 4.30, so while Gordon is clearly faster in a straight line, the difference won't be dramatic. Todd Gurley is the better prospect in terms of talent alone, and very few dispute that. He was projected as a first round pick, somtimes a top 5 selection before his injury this year. Melvin Gordon was an amazing runningback for Wisconsin. To put that in perspective, Jahvid Best was amazing for Cal, Reggie Bush was amazing for USC and Andre Williams was amazing for Boston College too, and Gordon doesn't scream more talented than any of them, despite them clearly not being great NFL talent. Many runningbacks who were amazing as amateurs don't pan out, and many who were not impressive in college like Chris Johnson, Jamaal Charles and Matt Forte end up becoming elite runningbacks in the NFL. I realize that it's hard to do forget how amazing Gordon was at Wisconsin because the season just ended, but I think in May, NFL teams who are MUCH smarter than me are going to come to the same conclusion that because Gurley is the better prospect if you ignore college production, then he's the first RB to go off the board. The ONLY reason I see Gurley falling in the draft is his health. We still don't know his timetable and if he can't play next season, then of course he could fall past Gordon. I think he will be on the path to recovery to the point where a team will take him first. We saw with Marcus Lattimore that this wasn't the case. Lattimore wasn't a first round pick candidate even before his injury, and since the 49ers knew Gore was their starter anyway, they took him not extremely far after where he would have landed had he been totally recovered. To wrap up, these players aren't being evaluated fairly. People see that Gordon was more productive in school than Gurley and assuming he'll go first, but that's clearly not what teams go by. Bishop Sankey was the first runningback taken ahead of Carlos Hyde and Jeremy Hill. Kellen Clemons and Case Keenum both went undrafted despite being the two best college QBs of all time. Skills and potential are 100% of the conversation, period. Gurley has comparable speed and exclusivity, but completely unique power compared to every other back in college right now. Gordon is more patient and finds holes that no one else can see, and he's VERY fast. Those things can make him great, but patience can be taught and if Gurley can demonstrate it, he's the more talented of the two backs. Edit: On the other 2 questions, I think Gurley goes in the last 10 picks of round 1, Gordon goes at the end of round 2 or maybe the beginning if 3. Jahvid would have been amazing
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