inoccent
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Post by inoccent on Dec 10, 2014 22:11:36 GMT -5
I've backed it with countless examples. You just refuse to stop thinking like a child staring at Christmas lights.
there is no conspiracy. Its simply a made for tv business model and employees are doing what they get paid for.
Countless? Isn't the bills your only real thing? I mean, you gave vague guesses like "no way those CBs miss on deep bombs" but not real examples. Well if he can't count...one example would be countless for him
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Post by patriotsk1d on Dec 10, 2014 23:15:26 GMT -5
You complain about the refs all the time. They suck sometimes, but they are not the reason Buffalo sucks.
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Post by cantonhall34 on Dec 10, 2014 23:54:41 GMT -5
Did they overturn the int after replay? No. They called an unsportsmanlike conduct on the Broncos during the return and let the interception stand, but not the return for the touchdown. Two things - first, the ball hit the ground. It was an incomplete pass, not an interception. Second - the ref called offsetting penalties on the play. Even if it WERE an actual interception, which it WASN'T, the down should have been replayed, Buffalo ball, third and goal. The ref fucked up twice, or as I'd call it - all the refs got together and basically said - "No matter what - Denver ball." No, they did overturn the call, that's why they enforced BOTH penalties and had them offset. The play was run over. If the INT had stood, only the Denver penalty would have been enforced. The official (Mike Carey I think?) broke that down in the wait for the replay. He also reiterated the idea that officials are supposed to let a play continue - when they don't have a clear view of the play - because all turnovers/scoring plays are reviewed anyway, and it won't cost a team a challenge. Remember if they challenge on a play like that, they get penalized. There were some issues I had with the game as well - - I think the illegal contact penalty on Robey down by the goal line was likely called on the wrong player. That happens sometimes. Refs called wrong number, etc. He didn't do anything worth a flag on that one. - Peyton was called for illegal procedure and never moved. - I think the hit on Sanders was more about the defenseless receiver BS that's plaguing the league these days than it was "let's just call interference to get the Bills". Also, I didn't see his jumping up afterward as anything but "I'm tougher than they think...I can take that hit...etc". He was down on the ground for a while, and took his helmet off right away as he was rolling around there. Maybe had the wind knocked out of him, which sometimes seems like you're gonna die, but once it's passed you can function again. Remember he had an issue very recently where he had to undergo concussion testing and all, and that hit was a jarring one. Good hit in my view, but the league is overly careful these days about those hits now. His bowing to the crowd wasn't really new. He's been doing that all season when he makes a play or whatever, so I saw it as him telling everyone he was OK, especially after being knocked out of the game a few weeks ago.
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Post by nateball89 on Dec 11, 2014 0:03:33 GMT -5
Let me reiterate that I didn't intend to start a fight, although it seems like I did. It was just hard after watching that game, and watching that video, which I didn't make, to just keep quiet about it. Again, I'm no conspiracy theorist, as I stated, and I don't think the league "has it out" for the Bills. The Bills are a bad enough team by themselves, I highly doubt the league would go out of their way to further ensure that Bills games were "fixed." This game, however, it certainly appeared that the league was looking out for Peyton Manning.
As far as me calling Juggs a conspiracy nut, I meant that in jest, and it wasn't meant as a personal attack. He took exception to it, so I removed it.
The very first play in the video - the non PI call of the Broncos linebacker breaking up the pass intended for Scott Chandler without looking back for the ball, the person who edited this video was wrong - it was not in fact pass interference, and was correctly not called as such. The editor was simply trying to make more of a case, which they didn't need to do. And one of the last plays in the video - where the Bills punter got ran into, was an iffy call. It was a bad snap, the punter had to jump sideways to field the snap and was incidentally ran into after the punt. Lots of plays like that are correctly not called all the time. As far as the Stephon Gilmore hit - that was called correctly as well. It was called pass interference and not a personal foul for a hit on a defenseless receiver. The personal foul call came when Jerry Hughes, who's been playing out of his mind this season, but has a tendency to garner penalties, did or said something to induce an unsportsmanlike conduct or a personal foul. He was even benched for it. Gilmore hit Sanders early, but the hit was COMPLETELY legal, as the video shows. Shoulder to shoulder...which Sanders then takes his helmet off on the field and rolls around in "agony" until he hears the referee announce a penalty over the PA and then he pops back up, literally THROWS the training staff who were legitimately concerned for his health off of him, like 'gtf off of me,' and then does a broadway play style bow for the crowd.
As far as ram29jackson, I don't know who he is, when or how he got here, but I've had him on ignore since like his first post about the NFL being one big fix.
All in all, just watch the video. That doesn't lie. Forget the subtitles. Look at the referees calling Corey Graham for a personal foul blocking for Stephon Gilmore on an interception return when COREY GRAHAM WAS TRYING HIS BEST TO JUMP OVER A BRONCOS LINEMAN TO AVOID CONTACT. Then watch Kyle Orton throw a clear incompletion. And watch the referee then call it an interception, Denver ball. These aren't the ramblings of a jaded and biased Bills fan who's ticked off that his team lost and wants to blame the refs for calling a bad game. The refs called a one sided game, plain and simple. I had absolutely nothing to do with it. But again, I'm really not trying to start anything with Broncos fans. I wish this hadn't happened against Denver. I mean it when I say I like Peyton Manning and I'm rooting for him to win one last Superbowl, as is my chiropractor, lol.
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Post by gobolts25 on Dec 11, 2014 0:05:35 GMT -5
No. They called an unsportsmanlike conduct on the Broncos during the return and let the interception stand, but not the return for the touchdown. Two things - first, the ball hit the ground. It was an incomplete pass, not an interception. Second - the ref called offsetting penalties on the play. Even if it WERE an actual interception, which it WASN'T, the down should have been replayed, Buffalo ball, third and goal. The ref fucked up twice, or as I'd call it - all the refs got together and basically said - "No matter what - Denver ball." No, they did overturn the call, that's why they enforced BOTH penalties and had them offset. The play was run over. If the INT had stood, only the Denver penalty would have been enforced. The official (Mike Carey I think?) broke that down in the wait for the replay. He also reiterated the idea that officials are supposed to let a play continue - when they don't have a clear view of the play - because all turnovers/scoring plays are reviewed anyway, and it won't cost a team a challenge. Remember if they challenge on a play like that, they get penalized. There were some issues I had with the game as well - - I think the illegal contact penalty on Robey down by the goal line was likely called on the wrong player. That happens sometimes. Refs called wrong number, etc. He didn't do anything worth a flag on that one. - Peyton was called for illegal procedure and never moved. - I think the hit on Sanders was more about the defenseless receiver BS that's plaguing the league these days than it was "let's just call interference to get the Bills". Also, I didn't see his jumping up afterward as anything but "I'm tougher than they think...I can take that hit...etc". He was down on the ground for a while, and took his helmet off right away as he was rolling around there. Maybe had the wind knocked out of him, which sometimes seems like you're gonna die, but once it's passed you can function again. Remember he had an issue very recently where he had to undergo concussion testing and all, and that hit was a jarring one. Good hit in my view, but the league is overly careful these days about those hits now. His bowing to the crowd wasn't really new. He's been doing that all season when he makes a play or whatever, so I saw it as him telling everyone he was OK, especially after being knocked out of the game a few weeks ago. Heh a little creative editing in the video, then...it never included the fact that the call was overturned. (I obviously didn't see the game.)
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Post by saskabronco on Dec 11, 2014 0:24:58 GMT -5
Let me reiterate that I didn't intend to start a fight, although it seems like I did. It was just hard after watching that game, and watching that video, which I didn't make, to just keep quiet about it. Again, I'm no conspiracy theorist, as I stated, and I don't think the league "has it out" for the Bills. The Bills are a bad enough team by themselves, I highly doubt the league would go out of their way to further ensure that Bills games were "fixed." This game, however, it certainly appeared that the league was looking out for Peyton Manning. As far as me calling Juggs a conspiracy nut, I meant that in jest, and it wasn't meant as a personal attack. He took exception to it, so I removed it. The very first play in the video - the non PI call of the Broncos linebacker breaking up the pass intended for Scott Chandler without looking back for the ball, the person who edited this video was wrong - it was not in fact pass interference, and was correctly not called as such. The editor was simply trying to make more of a case, which they didn't need to do. And one of the last plays in the video - where the Bills punter got ran into, was an iffy call. It was a bad snap, the punter had to jump sideways to field the snap and was incidentally ran into after the punt. Lots of plays like that are correctly not called all the time. As far as the Stephon Gilmore hit - that was called correctly as well. It was called pass interference and not a personal foul for a hit on a defenseless receiver. The personal foul call came when Jerry Hughes, who's been playing out of his mind this season, but has a tendency to garner penalties, did or said something to induce an unsportsmanlike conduct or a personal foul. He was even benched for it. Gilmore hit Sanders early, but the hit was COMPLETELY legal, as the video shows. Shoulder to shoulder...which Sanders then takes his helmet off on the field and rolls around in "agony" until he hears the referee announce a penalty over the PA and then he pops back up, literally THROWS the training staff who were legitimately concerned for his health off of him, like 'gtf off of me,' and then does a broadway play style bow for the crowd. As far as ram29jackson, I don't know who he is, when or how he got here, but I've had him on ignore since like his first post about the NFL being one big fix. All in all, just watch the video. That doesn't lie. Forget the subtitles. Look at the referees calling Corey Graham for a personal foul blocking for Stephon Gilmore on an interception return when COREY GRAHAM WAS TRYING HIS BEST TO JUMP OVER A BRONCOS LINEMAN TO AVOID CONTACT. Then watch Kyle Orton throw a clear incompletion. And watch the referee then call it an interception, Denver ball. These aren't the ramblings of a jaded and biased Bills fan who's ticked off that his team lost and wants to blame the refs for calling a bad game. The refs called a one sided game, plain and simple. I had absolutely nothing to do with it. But again, I'm really not trying to start anything with Broncos fans. I wish this hadn't happened against Denver. I mean it when I say I like Peyton Manning and I'm rooting for him to win one last Superbowl, as is my chiropractor, lol. I don't speak for other Broncos fans, but I didn't take any offence to this and don't see how any fight is started. So you're upset about the reffing in the game against my favourite team... There are a few plays where it looks like your justified to be upset. It's not like you're blaming me for the reffing or the outcome. I still think you are hilarious and enjoy reading your posts.
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Post by cantonhall34 on Dec 11, 2014 0:28:49 GMT -5
Let me reiterate that I didn't intend to start a fight, although it seems like I did. It was just hard after watching that game, and watching that video, which I didn't make, to just keep quiet about it. Again, I'm no conspiracy theorist, as I stated, and I don't think the league "has it out" for the Bills. The Bills are a bad enough team by themselves, I highly doubt the league would go out of their way to further ensure that Bills games were "fixed." This game, however, it certainly appeared that the league was looking out for Peyton Manning. As far as me calling Juggs a conspiracy nut, I meant that in jest, and it wasn't meant as a personal attack. He took exception to it, so I removed it. The very first play in the video - the non PI call of the Broncos linebacker breaking up the pass intended for Scott Chandler without looking back for the ball, the person who edited this video was wrong - it was not in fact pass interference, and was correctly not called as such. The editor was simply trying to make more of a case, which they didn't need to do. And one of the last plays in the video - where the Bills punter got ran into, was an iffy call. It was a bad snap, the punter had to jump sideways to field the snap and was incidentally ran into after the punt. Lots of plays like that are correctly not called all the time. As far as the Stephon Gilmore hit - that was called correctly as well. It was called pass interference and not a personal foul for a hit on a defenseless receiver. The personal foul call came when Jerry Hughes, who's been playing out of his mind this season, but has a tendency to garner penalties, did or said something to induce an unsportsmanlike conduct or a personal foul. He was even benched for it. Gilmore hit Sanders early, but the hit was COMPLETELY legal, as the video shows. Shoulder to shoulder...which Sanders then takes his helmet off on the field and rolls around in "agony" until he hears the referee announce a penalty over the PA and then he pops back up, literally THROWS the training staff who were legitimately concerned for his health off of him, like 'gtf off of me,' and then does a broadway play style bow for the crowd. As far as ram29jackson, I don't know who he is, when or how he got here, but I've had him on ignore since like his first post about the NFL being one big fix. All in all, just watch the video. That doesn't lie. Forget the subtitles. Look at the referees calling Corey Graham for a personal foul blocking for Stephon Gilmore on an interception return when COREY GRAHAM WAS TRYING HIS BEST TO JUMP OVER A BRONCOS LINEMAN TO AVOID CONTACT. Then watch Kyle Orton throw a clear incompletion. And watch the referee then call it an interception, Denver ball. These aren't the ramblings of a jaded and biased Bills fan who's ticked off that his team lost and wants to blame the refs for calling a bad game. The refs called a one sided game, plain and simple. I had absolutely nothing to do with it. But again, I'm really not trying to start anything with Broncos fans. I wish this hadn't happened against Denver. I mean it when I say I like Peyton Manning and I'm rooting for him to win one last Superbowl, as is my chiropractor, lol. I didn't take it as starting a fight, brother. The creator of the video has an agenda and sees EVERYTHING as incorrect and doesn't mention the INT was overturned, and both penalties were assessed, forcing a replay of the down. That part is conveniently left out. I don't blame you for being bent about some of the officiating, but I think it wasn't just one sided. Officiating has been becoming progressively worse over the last few years, though I don't know if this year has been an especially bad one. Some years are worse than others.
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Post by ram29jackson on Dec 11, 2014 13:54:11 GMT -5
I've backed it with countless examples. You just refuse to stop thinking like a child staring at Christmas lights.
there is no conspiracy. Its simply a made for tv business model and employees are doing what they get paid for.
Countless? Isn't the bills your only real thing? I mean, you gave vague guesses like "no way those CBs miss on deep bombs" but not real examples. you are falsely paraphrasing things I never said. I explained to you to actually replay and watch defenders. They may look close when you first see a play but they are actually doing nothing
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Post by Morkim on Dec 11, 2014 13:56:24 GMT -5
Countless? Isn't the bills your only real thing? I mean, you gave vague guesses like "no way those CBs miss on deep bombs" but not real examples. you are falsely paraphrasing things I never said. I explained to you to actually replay and watch defenders. They may look close when you first see a play but they are actually doing nothing So was that and the Bills all you had? Was the decade of UCLA winning college basketball rigged for money? That seems about as unlikely as 4 superbowls. But you never address this question.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 14:34:32 GMT -5
I heard that a couple of refs had CJ Anderson on their FF Team.
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