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Post by Divebitch on Dec 17, 2014 18:46:16 GMT -5
why is it that in all but about 4 States the highest paid public employees are College football and basketball coaches? Because a winning FB or BB program brings more than just multimillions to the respective colleges, it brings what money can't buy, prestige. Also, there's a lot more competition for a college president or other administrator position than there are proven, winning head coaches. They're the rock stars of the admin side of higher education. You're also warping the statistics a bit. You're talking about the guys at the top of the coaching ranks, coaching at very large institutions. On average, sports coaches as a group make far less than college presidents nationwide.This is something I was thinking of posting in a separate thread in light of the huge offer by U of Michigan for Jerk Harbaugh's services. With the 100+ (??) football relevant colleges out there. Don't you think it pisses off the students somewhat that approx 1 credit (or 5%+ of their tuition) is paid directly to the head football coach alone? Did a little math, and doubt I'm that far off. I understand it's an investment, and if successful it will start paying for itself a little more, IDK. TBH, I don't see that as prestige unless you're some deluded kid thinking he'll have a better chance making it to the big leagues. I don't think it does much in terms of prestige academically speaking.
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Post by cantonhall34 on Dec 17, 2014 22:11:31 GMT -5
Two things: 1 - Who's "Ngato"? I don't think Baltimore not having Ngato, Cameroon will help the Browns reach the playoffs at all. Not sure what that's all about. 2 - Also, as referenced by you earlier: "Cleveland won all the championships in the 50s." - I'll call you on that bluff. Remember, some of us on here aren't "new" to the game. We've been around and have studied and observed the game for MANY years and know the history. That doesn't make us any better or worse than anyone else, just that some of us know a BS fact when we see/hear it here, and you can't fire that weak-ass Jamie Moyer fastball by us. So with that in mind, and as a matter of FACT, not insinuation, not surmising, not inferring, not conjecture, not connotation, but FACT - which I know is being used loosely here sometimes: NFL Champions, Decade of the 1950's1950 - Cleveland Browns 1951 - Los Angeles Rams 1952 - Detroit Lions 1953 - Detroit Lions 1954 - Cleveland Browns 1955 - Cleveland Browns 1956 - New York Giants 1957 - Detroit Lions 1958 - Baltimore Colts 1959 - Baltimore Colts So yeah, Cleveland did not win all the championships in the 50's. Yes, they went to 10 consecutive championship games, but they did not win all of them. I don't mind that people believe whatever they want to about the league. We can all disagree on everything and I wouldn't care. Let's at least be CORRECT when we spout facts, though, OK? When facts are being used they are not opinion. When misrepresenting what the facts are in order to forward an argument, you lose credibility. dear God you are a mental child. I was generalizing. Its not like I cant look this stuff up either. Sorry if my choice of words gave you a hissy fit. They were in fact in 7 Championships in that period whether they won them or not which is still absurd. and they won 4 championships between 46-49 in the AAFC. That's 7 in 14 years.
happy now ? 4 in a row,7 out of 14. Both are ridiculous to believe if you are rational It's cute that you think I actually had to look that up. You didn't sound like you were generalizing, and even if you were, if you're going to try to rip on others, then you should still know WTF you're actually saying. "Generalizing" as you put it is fine, but that's not what you were doing. Don't try to cover up the mistakes you clearly made by acting like you meant to do that. Unless you're just playing around, then that, once again as you put it, is the act of a "mental child". So, I'm sorry if pointing out mistakes in what you wrote about gave you heartburn enough to go to that level of name calling. All I can say to that is maybe next time be accurate? Own up to mistakes? It's OK to be wrong about stuff. It's OK not to know everything. NOBODY DOES. What isn't OK is acting as if you have some higher intelligence than everyone else and putting others down for not buying what you're selling. Once again, your "mental child" statement. Oh, and if you understood the way Paul Brown was running his team and the state of the NFL at the time, you'd understand the success was based on hard work, ingenuity, and great team play, not some BS agenda to lift CLEVELAND of all teams to the pinnacle of the sport.
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Post by gobolts25 on Dec 17, 2014 23:49:14 GMT -5
Because a winning FB or BB program brings more than just multimillions to the respective colleges, it brings what money can't buy, prestige. Also, there's a lot more competition for a college president or other administrator position than there are proven, winning head coaches. They're the rock stars of the admin side of higher education. You're also warping the statistics a bit. You're talking about the guys at the top of the coaching ranks, coaching at very large institutions. On average, sports coaches as a group make far less than college presidents nationwide.This is something I was thinking of posting in a separate thread in light of the huge offer by U of Michigan for Jerk Harbaugh's services. With the 100+ (??) football relevant colleges out there. Don't you think it pisses off the students somewhat that approx 1 credit (or 5%+ of their tuition) is paid directly to the head football coach alone? Did a little math, and doubt I'm that far off. I understand it's an investment, and if successful it will start paying for itself a little more, IDK. TBH, I don't see that as prestige unless you're some deluded kid thinking he'll have a better chance making it to the big leagues. I don't think it does much in terms of prestige academically speaking. Not really. For most of those major institutions, their athletic departments are funded separately from the rest of the school, through the gate, bowl fees, and fundraising. The football team never sees tuition. As for prestige, it eventually turns into dollars for the academic side, mostly through alumni.
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Post by Divebitch on Dec 18, 2014 8:48:54 GMT -5
Not really. For most of those major institutions, their athletic departments are funded separately from the rest of the school, through the gate, bowl fees, and fundraising. The football team never sees tuition. As for prestige, it eventually turns into dollars for the academic side, mostly through alumni. I'll take your word for it. Never gave it much thought, but surely the guys at U of Mich have. Seems multi-faceted how it all works. Like Harbaugh might have a synergistic effect, ie. attract more top prospects outta high school ---> more Bowls ---> more NFL draftees ---> wealthy, high profile alumni, stuff like that.
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Post by ram29jackson on Dec 18, 2014 16:57:50 GMT -5
this is a line of bull. A complete lie that you have bought. No man and no team can be that successful without complete and total manipulation. The fact is you as well have no proof what so ever other than faith that it wasn't manipulated
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Post by Morkim on Dec 18, 2014 17:21:55 GMT -5
this is a line of bull. A complete lie that you have bought. No man and no team can be that successful without complete and total manipulation. The fact is you as well have no proof what so ever other than faith that it wasn't manipulated And all you have is faith that it was manipulated.
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Post by inoccent on Dec 18, 2014 17:41:49 GMT -5
this is a line of bull. A complete lie that you have bought. No man and no team can be that successful without complete and total manipulation. The fact is you as well have no proof what so ever other than faith that it wasn't manipulated And all you have is faith that it was manipulated. But our faith is so misplaced and his faith is so much more than ours. *dripping with sarcasm*
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Post by gobolts25 on Dec 18, 2014 20:42:29 GMT -5
this is a line of bull. A complete lie that you have bought. No man and no team can be that successful without complete and total manipulation. The fact is you as well have no proof what so ever other than faith that it wasn't manipulated Therefore we're all deluded and you have all the answers. Tell me another fairy tale, grandma.
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Post by grannymisstep on Dec 18, 2014 21:00:20 GMT -5
this is a line of bull. A complete lie that you have bought. No man and no team can be that successful without complete and total manipulation. The fact is you as well have no proof what so ever other than faith that it wasn't manipulated Therefore we're all deluded and you have all the answers. Tell me another fairy tale, grandma. I got a ansa fa yuo sunny. Mabe we leve it too teh poleece to chek jus hoo is luded.
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Post by inoccent on Dec 19, 2014 8:04:56 GMT -5
Therefore we're all deluded and you have all the answers. Tell me another fairy tale, grandma. I got a ansa fa yuo sunny. Mabe we leve it too teh poleece to chek jus hoo is luded. Don't worry guys. Granny just fell off her rocker and she can't get up. The stroke messed with her speech so just pat her hand and say "oh yes granny, I'm sure that's how it happened."
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