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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 22:21:33 GMT -5
Wow...just found this on you tube..
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Post by gobolts25 on Nov 25, 2014 22:33:35 GMT -5
So it's basically the Zimmerman case all over again? No. It's much, much worse. This was a police officer, he shot the guy six times, and, although I understand Morkim was simplifying things, what he said isn't true. The verdict never came in. The prosecution failed the indictment stage. That means that the state of Missouri decided that there is no possible way that Wilson could be guilty, even though he shot a guy, and that he's so certainly innocent they're not even going to have a trial. This botched indictment will go down in history as one of the most disgusting abuses of power in United States history. We all need to remember that Darren Wilson shot a man and was not found innocent, he never was even charged or indicted. Meanwhile, black people are rounded up in all cities of this country for standing on a street corner or for driving while black. This country is fucking disgusting, probably the most racist in the world and those who uphold the status quo diserve to burn in hell. These looters and riot participants are fucking heroes. They're going to go to prison or even die fighting institutional racism in America. The chaos they cause in the next few days will cease quickly, the atrocities committed by our own government will never stop until Americans rise up and eviscerate the current police and military industrial complex. Police officers can commit public lynchings and not even see a court room. They are invincible. Young black men can and HAVE been put to death for fitting a description. They are guilty until proven innocent. I have personally been harassed for "obstructing pedestrian traffic" AKA being a teenager and I have personally been described as fitting a description, only to get off because I am white. The killing of Michael Brown is not the last time the police will murder an innocent civilian. The justice system will claim more american lives than it saves this year, just like it did last year and every other year. Ferguson will not be the only murder, but using it as an opportunity to destroy the system that is destroying the United States is an opportunity that can't be wasted. I stand with these protesters. Fuck the police Haven't read the rest of the posts yet, but my take is this: First, your attitude (and that of those who share it, including the rioters) is the problem. Rioting and destroying the property of people who had absolutely NOTHING to do with the grand jury's findings is straight out bullshit. Anyone with this type of mob mentality, if justice were to be done, would have exactly the same thing done to them as they do. Second, to paraphrase Aaron Sorkin, in the justice system, it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. The grand jury found that there was insufficient evidence to proceed with a criminal action. I guarantee you they didn't have clear evidence that the officer was guilty and say, no, we won't go forward with this. Yeah, yeah, fuck the police...easy to say, until there are none. Then all of a sudden people want their nice relatively FAR more secure lives back when they find out that it's survival of the fittest and best-armed. Love to see your numbers on the 'claiming more lives than it saves thing, too.' There are what, maybe 50 executions (tops) a year? Tell me another fairy tale, grandma.
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Post by gobolts25 on Nov 25, 2014 22:35:32 GMT -5
Craig I don't want peace. I want to slow down rampant racism and militarism in the police force. If heads have to roll and buildings have to be burned for that to happen, that's too bad. No, I absolutely did nothing when I was accused of fitting a description. Luckily I'm white. If I were black I would have been arrested, put in a squad car, spend the night in prison, been assigned a shit lawyer and likely forced into a plea deal for hundreds for doing nothing. Call that the black tax. Instead, I got to walk away. They DID NOT have a trial. They didn't "pretty much" have a trial. They let him off because he was a cop. There were 267 indictment cases in 2013. 256 secured the indcitement. Off the 11 that failed, 7 were police officers, and there were only 7 police officers brought to chargers. That means that civilians get indicted 95% of the time. Police officers get indicted 0% of the time. They are invincible regardless of circumstance. I can't know if Wilson is guilty, I have NO IDEA if he is. The problem is, he is invincible and there was never even a shot of him being indicted. That article is fine. Except that it's Darren Wilson's portrayal of the events. The cop isn't going to admit to murdering a guy whether he did it or not. His testimony can be used as evidence, and that's fine, but it doesn't mean anything for sure. But as I already said, I don't know or care whether or not Wilson was guilty. The fact is, we'll never know. Blacks don't want to be cops because they're afraid of the militarized police and don't want to stand for the system that targets racial minorities and destroys communities. Did you seriously just suggests that NOT shooting someone for six years is good enough? Is one slip up tolerable? LOL that's insane. He's not "holding in" his racism. "IF" (I'm seriously uncertain, I don't know the guy), if he's a racist, then the murder was definitely racially charged whether or not he had acted like a racist for years. Institutionalized racism can act in a case like this EG maybe if it's a white guy he only shoots in the arm or leg once instead of six times in the chest, arm and face. I too want Jeff to weigh in. I'm sure he disagrees, but I want to hear other thoughts on this than mine, and I appreciate your criticsm as well Craig. It can get boring on a college campus with everyone so one-sided liberal. I am by far the most conservative person in a given college classroom just because I am a moderate. The shit I hear from privileged white college students pisses me off too, but I try and bring everyone to the middle, except on the justice system, which I have spent my life studying and am incredibly testy about. Really...by condoning violence. Yeah, that's always resolved problems.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 22:44:30 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by saskabronco on Nov 25, 2014 22:54:48 GMT -5
Yeah it's definitely just the black people's fault. If they could just stop being such criminals then maybe cops wouldn't have to shoot them all... (Sarcasm... And if you actually agreed with what I said before I noted that it was sarcasm then you are the bigger problem)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 22:57:44 GMT -5
Wow...just found this on you tube.. Exactly!
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Post by Jindred on Nov 25, 2014 22:59:31 GMT -5
My piece, from what I have read and heard about this it seems pretty clear that Wilson over reacted. With that said the rioting is a MASS over reaction. This kind of shit isn't productive, white guy kills black guy so black people riot making white people more scared of black people and more likely to overreact and kill another black person. It won't end, violence just leads to more violence.
I have quoted this before and I will quote it again and I hope some day that everyone believes this to be as true as I believe it to be.
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
Martin Luther King Jr.
People need to realize that spreading hate is only gonna get more hate back. Yes there is injustice in the world but fighting injustice by causing more injustice is absolutely fucking stupid. The people who protested peacefully in the first place and had cops overreact was a step in the right direction because it shows how crazy the cops were and showing that to a world is progress. Now the people rioting are showing that they are fucking crazy and making people think "Now the cops need more power to stop this shit."
The cycle needs to end somewhere, one side needs to stop. If you give someone no good reasons to hate and fear your, most will stop, and a few will hang on to ridiculous reasons making them seem like the idoits. Continue to give people reasons to hate and fear you and they will..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 23:02:46 GMT -5
Yeah it's definitely just the black people's fault. If they could just stop being such criminals then maybe cops wouldn't have to shoot them all... (Sarcasm... And if you actually agreed with what I said before I noted that it was sarcasm then you are the bigger problem) It is the black peoples fault for all the riots and looting. And if that makes me the problem in your eyes then YOU are the problem. Any one who condones the burning of buildings, hurting and killing innocent people, over this is an idiot. I thought better of you until now. This protest nation wide is just totally stupid. Not ignorant but flat out stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 23:08:37 GMT -5
My piece, from what I have read and heard about this it seems pretty clear that Wilson over reacted. With that said the rioting is a MASS over reaction. This kind of shit isn't productive, white guy kills black guy so black people riot making white people more scared of black people and more likely to overreact and kill another black person. It won't end, violence just leads to more violence. I have quoted this before and I will quote it again and I hope some day that everyone believes this to be as true as I believe it to be. "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." Martin Luther King Jr. People need to realize that spreading hate is only gonna get more hate back. Yes there is injustice in the world but fighting injustice by causing more injustice is absolutely fucking stupid. The people who protested peacefully in the first place and had cops overreact was a step in the right direction because it shows how crazy the cops were and showing that to a world is progress. Now the people rioting are showing that they are fucking crazy and making people think "Now the cops need more power to stop this shit." The cycle needs to end somewhere, one side needs to stop. If you give someone no good reasons to hate and fear your, most will stop, and a few will hang on to ridiculous reasons making them seem like the idoits. Continue to give people reasons to hate and fear you and they will.. Nice post. I quote you here. "The cycle needs to end somewhere, one side needs to stop." I like that, but which side would you like to see stop? The rioters/looters or the cops?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 23:19:56 GMT -5
I like this. Good one. DWB. haha Driving while black. Funny thing is where I live is primarily white. But I think at least a third of the cops are black. Weird turn on things. I don't get stopped because I don't speed, or make illegal turns or run red lights. I haven't been stopped in twenty years. I guess the black cops around here are not racist. It's only the white cops that are racist.
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