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Post by patriotsk1d on Nov 25, 2014 19:28:32 GMT -5
Put race aside for a second and consider how little evidence is needed for an indictment. The fact that he wasnt indicted is a clear problem with our justice system. People have been indicted with far less evidence than this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 19:35:48 GMT -5
See my avatar?
Not my circus not my monkeys. thats what I feel about it deep down.
But my honest opinion...Blacks do get a bad rap from the popo...but so do whites. Its the fact that its been happening to blacks for so long.
What you are seeing now is not a case of black profiling,,,Its people profiling from the militarized police that we have now.
We are living in a police state. And yes the Police get away with almost everything they do. The courts and the justice system are going to side with the "public servant" If thats what you wanna call em.
On the other hand...This guy Mike Brown was a thug. They got him on videotape stealing and shoving people and pushing his weight around. He was a big guy. He thought he could run rough shot over everybody and he was living life destined for the pen.
Like Jesus used to say...live by the sword,die by the sword.
Matthew 26:52 "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
Now I know what you gonna say...he wasnt armed.
Yes he was.
If you dont think a big guy like that can overpower you and beat the living shit outta you with his bare hands,think again.
Now...do i agree with shooting him?
I dunno...thats a judgement call,and I wasnt there to see what was happening. If he felt his life was in danger...then hell yeah,shoot.
I would.
But Did he have a taser he could have used? Would it have worked on that big guy?
Could he have called for backup and left the guy alone til more cops showed up? Diffuse the situation like hes trained to do?
These are questions that need to be asked.
I heard that the cops eye socket was broken and he almost had his eye popping out. Whether thats true,who knows.
Its hard to believe much of what you hear and see anymore.
What I dont get is these people protesting....Do they not have jobs? Do they have kids that need help with homework? Dont they need to eat? Dont you wanna watch the latest episode of "Dancing with the stars",like the government wants you to?
Dont they know that its their neighborhood that they are burning to the ground?
More later....Sheesh.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 19:41:52 GMT -5
If that was my city and I was the mayor....I would have the national guard with M-16s on every street corner daring them motherfuckers to set one more thing on fire.
I would put a end to the protesting real quick.
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Post by Juggs on Nov 25, 2014 19:45:31 GMT -5
I tried to respond to what you wrote h24dog but my internet has died two times when I’ve been typing it so this is the third time I’ve wrote this. I’m on a train and I keep dipping in and out of service. :/ I wanted to apologize for being totally vague earlier. I only mean invincible in the sense of the legal system. Of course heroes like your dad are vulnerable to bullets and knives and broken reputations, but the fact is that cops don’t get indicted, and this case proves that. Journalists who investigate cops get stabbed. Testify against a cop, and you get stabbed. Cops don’t get indicted. If they get arrested, they get off with no jail time, or at least with less than they would if they were civilians. Cops are given easy outs in the legal system when they should be held to higher standards than criminals in the justice system. Justice isn’t supposed to have an untouchable class, but cops and the super-rich are untouchable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 19:46:57 GMT -5
Im watching the news right now.
Cops and thugs fighting in the streets.
If you set foot on the White house lawn....you could get shot without question.
If you gonna set foot in ferguson and your intent is up to no good...shoot without question.
I bet they would stay their asses at home then.
Burning a McD's down.....sheesh. WTF is that gonna do?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 19:55:03 GMT -5
Ahh..well what do you know....National guard has moved in. SMDH.
This is all a waste of taxpayers money.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 19:57:10 GMT -5
I tried to respond to what you wrote h24dog but my internet has died two times when I’ve been typing it so this is the third time I’ve wrote this. I’m on a train and I keep dipping in and out of service. :/ I wanted to apologize for being totally vague earlier. I only mean invincible in the sense of the legal system. Of course heroes like your dad are vulnerable to bullets and knives and broken reputations, but the fact is that cops don’t get indicted, and this case proves that. Journalists who investigate cops get stabbed. Testify against a cop, and you get stabbed. Cops don’t get indicted. If they get arrested, they get off with no jail time, or at least with less than they would if they were civilians. Cops are given easy outs in the legal system when they should be held to higher standards than criminals in the justice system. Justice isn’t supposed to have an untouchable class, but cops and the super-rich are untouchable. Juggs dont misunderstand me ...I agree with you on certain things...but certainly not the stupid protesting.
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Post by Juggs on Nov 25, 2014 20:03:05 GMT -5
You have no idea if he actually murdered an innocent man, unless there have been things I don't know about. I haven't looked deeply into the story and didn't even really hear about it until last night and only know the basics. The fact that there are polar opposite witness accounts of the shooting makes it really hard to know what actually happened. I'm not saying the officer is telling the truth and was completely acting in self defense. And I'm not saying he wasn't acting in self defense. From what I have read, I don't know and there wasn't enough evidence to charge him. Innocent until proven guilt my friend. However as I said I haven't read deeply into it so if you have proof to back up that this was murder please share. If this officer killed that unarmed man because he was black or for any reason that was unjustified I most certainly want him to be punished. The fact he was shot 6 times makes me skeptical. So show me why you feel strongly about this. Yes, the police force is not right. And things need to be fixed. But I don't like it when people group them up and say fuck police officers or just assume an officer is a douche bag. My cousin was a great honorable cop. As far as the riots, they're destroying people's property and stealing from people that have nothing to do with it. My dad owns his own business and how would I feel if people started looting his place because of an issue like this? Or if they destroyed one of our vehicles? Again I may be speaking in ignorance of the situation because I haven't done more than an hour of reading and I need to do more, but if I'm wrong, please tell me why. Well since you asked "you have no idea if he actually murdered an innocent man." Yes I do. Brown wasn't convicted. So unless he's got some history that no one knows about, I do know this. I don't know if Brown was about to commit a crime or if Wilson was acting in self defense. I do know that there is no self defense that requires him to shoot Brown six times in the upper body, against his training, where he pulled his firearm against his training to go to his taser/nightstick (he claimed to the grand jury that the taser was too heavy. Well done Wilson.) But seriously, I don't care about this one murder case. I really hope people reading this separate what I'm saying from what they might hear from a bleeding heart liberal who "KNOWS" what happened in Ferguson despite not having info not privy to anyone else, or even cares about the fact that one guy died 1500 miles away. I am seriously invested in the fact that America is a police state with racial agendas however. It's true that I am generalizing all police officers. This is flawed logic on my part, but I think it's necessary. Change needs to be made to the entire police system, not just to the guilty. For instance, just because a police department has a good record of not murdering people doesn't mean they deserve to own tanks and m16s and dangerous shit that they can wave around like popguns. There are institutional problems that need to be dealt with in all departments and with all cops whether or not they specifically are guilty of racism or bad police work. I know a great local cop (it seems like everyone does) who I don't think is motivated to do the wrong things, but that doesn't mean the police system doesn't need change at all levels. When I say Fuck the Police, and when I support the looters, I just mean that this country needs to wake up and realize that the justice system and needs to be fundamentally rebuilt until it stops screwing minorities (and honestly, everyone except rich white men with connections). Of course I would be pissed if my dad's office got destroyed too. But that's a consequence of a bigger solution. The looting shows that people are pissed. If Americans get complacent, things are going to get worse. I realize I am in the infinitely small minority here on that subject, but the reality is that Ferguson and Oakland and Manhattan will rebuild, but our justice system won't.
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Post by Juggs on Nov 25, 2014 20:05:39 GMT -5
I tried to respond to what you wrote h24dog but my internet has died two times when I’ve been typing it so this is the third time I’ve wrote this. I’m on a train and I keep dipping in and out of service. :/ I wanted to apologize for being totally vague earlier. I only mean invincible in the sense of the legal system. Of course heroes like your dad are vulnerable to bullets and knives and broken reputations, but the fact is that cops don’t get indicted, and this case proves that. Journalists who investigate cops get stabbed. Testify against a cop, and you get stabbed. Cops don’t get indicted. If they get arrested, they get off with no jail time, or at least with less than they would if they were civilians. Cops are given easy outs in the legal system when they should be held to higher standards than criminals in the justice system. Justice isn’t supposed to have an untouchable class, but cops and the super-rich are untouchable. Juggs dont misunderstand me ...I agree with you on certain things...but certainly not the stupid protesting. That was just a response to a post that H24Dog quoted, where he correctly called me out on the fact that I said cops were invincible without clarifying what I meant. On your comment earlier that I'm in a frenzy, I'm stuck on a train with nothing to do and I type really fast. That's why I wrote so much.
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Post by Beastified on Nov 25, 2014 20:29:46 GMT -5
There are a lot of things wrong with the justice system, but yesterday's verdict wasn't one of them. There was a jury of 12 people (9 white and 3 black) that decided his fate. How does that make a police officer invincible? They had firsthand evidence and came up with a decision based on what they saw and heard from the 60+ so called "witnesses".
I also do not like cops or gangbangers. But to say that the rioting and destroying of businesses is justified and will evoke positive change is ludicrous.
These black people in Ferguson are the reason why there is racial profiling!!!! A black person is much more likely to be a criminal than a white person! They are giving a bad reputation for all blacks, it is honestly true.
That stupid sign "Black Lives Matter" is the dumbest sign I have ever seen. Put that shit down. This case was not a matter of racism, the media is fooling you if you think it's about racism.
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