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Post by gobolts25 on Nov 25, 2014 10:31:27 GMT -5
OK, here's attempt #2... Stallworth and Swann were very good, but I wouldn't class them as among the greatest of all time. Terry also had one of probably the three greatest and longest-lived defenses of all time behind him, along with the two Doomsday defenses. And he had Franco and Bleier to provide the ground-and-pound. But he's vastly underrated as a leader. There's only one other QB I can think of who compared in terms of never-say-die attitude and sheer will to win, and that's Fran Tarkenton...eh, maybe Staubach and the Snake would be close. His team would walk into fire for him. Yeah, Ben is bigger, stronger, smarter...and he's not even half the leader Terry was. Stallworth was always the better player if you listen to the guys that played on the team with them both. Swann was a phenomenal athlete and big game performer but as one old-time Steelers player once said: "Swann was great but Stall was the guy..." Nothing against Bradshaw or Tarkenton, but it's actually the other way around. I'm not sure how anyone can say Staubach wasn't the better player, stats be damned. He's at least a top 10 QB all time, if not top five, so saying he wasn't at the level of Tarkenton or Bradshaw is way off. Please reread my statement. I did not say Bradshaw was the better player. Top 10 for Staubach, I'll give you that. Top 5, eh, not quite.
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Post by cantonhall34 on Nov 25, 2014 22:09:16 GMT -5
Stallworth was always the better player if you listen to the guys that played on the team with them both. Swann was a phenomenal athlete and big game performer but as one old-time Steelers player once said: "Swann was great but Stall was the guy..." Nothing against Bradshaw or Tarkenton, but it's actually the other way around. I'm not sure how anyone can say Staubach wasn't the better player, stats be damned. He's at least a top 10 QB all time, if not top five, so saying he wasn't at the level of Tarkenton or Bradshaw is way off. Please reread my statement. I did not say Bradshaw was the better player. Top 10 for Staubach, I'll give you that. Top 5, eh, not quite. Regarding Bradshaw your quote was: "There's only one other QB I can think of who compared in terms of never-say-die attitude and sheer will to win, and that's Fran Tarkenton...eh, maybe Staubach and the Snake would be close" That sounded to me like you viewed Bradshaw and Tarkenton as better. If that's not what you meant then I took it the wrong way, but to me that's how it sounded. Sorry if there was any misunderstanding there. As you were saying, the leadership, will, etc of a player is something that cannot really be quantified but it really does matter. It's not always the same from one player to the next but can make a HUGE difference in the success of a team. There have been FEW players that you can really say were truly GREAT leaders (great is an overused term these days), but I don't know if there has been any better leader than Staubach, who is a Top 5 QB in my mind. I think there's too much emphasis placed on certain things these days (stats) while too often more important intangibles are overlooked.
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