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Post by bears75 on Nov 19, 2014 13:03:58 GMT -5
QB: Roman Gabriel, Jim Everett RB: Marshall Faulk, Lawrence McCutcheon, Steven Jackson, Eric Dickerson WR: Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt, Henry Ellard, Jack Snow, Harold Jackson TE: Carroll Dale, Billy Truax, Bob Klein LT: Orlando Pace, Irv Pankey RT: Jackie Slater, Charlie Cowan C: Doug Smith, Rich Saul LG: Tom Mack, Tom Newberry RG: Joe Scibelli, Dennis Harrah, Adam Timmerman LDT: Merlin Olsen, Larry Brooks RDT: Cody Jones, D'Marco Farr LDE: Jack Youngblood, Deacon Jones RDE: Fred Dryer, Leonard Little LOLB: Jack Pardee, Jim Youngblood ROLB: Isiah Robertson, Maxie Baughan MLB: Jack Reynolds, Carl Ekern LCB: Todd Lyght, Jerry Gray RCB: LeRoy Irvin, Clancy Williams FS: Eddie Meador, Johnnie Johnson SS: Nolan Cromwell, Dave Elmendorf P: Danny Villanueva, Donnie Jones K: Jeff Wilkins, Mike Lansford KR: Ron Brown, Danny Amendola
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Post by MarchingOn on Nov 19, 2014 13:32:24 GMT -5
I'm guessing you just accidentally forgot Kurt Warner?
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Post by bears75 on Nov 19, 2014 13:53:28 GMT -5
I'm guessing you just accidentally forgot Kurt Warner? He only started 47 games for the Rams. For a franchise that has been around as long as the Rams has I didn't feel that was enough to merit inclusion on this roster. Although if based solely in production he'd be starting ahead of Roman Gabriel.
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Post by cityofchamps on Nov 19, 2014 14:05:35 GMT -5
I'm guessing you just accidentally forgot Kurt Warner? He only started 47 games for the Rams. For a franchise that has been around as long as the Rams has I didn't feel that was enough to merit inclusion on this roster. Although if based solely in production he'd be starting ahead of Roman Gabriel. You gotta be kidding me...
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Post by cityofchamps on Nov 19, 2014 14:21:11 GMT -5
On what merit do you have Jack Youngblood over Deacon Jones?
Jones is looked at as easily the far better player. He also played before sacks were recorded as a stat, so you cannot hold stats against Jones. He also had more fumble recoveries than Youngblood, and had 2 Interceptions to Youngblood's 0.
I just don't get the logic there. And don't say that it was because Youngblood "started" more games than Jones. Youngblood played 7 seasons where it was a 16 game season. Deacon Jones played his entire career when it was 14 games. I really cannot see any logic whatsoever that puts Youngblood over Jones. You fail to take lore into effect and what they did for the game. Deacon Jones was instrumental in getting Sacks recorded as an official stat because he was so good at it.
Disclaimer: I know it may seem like I am trying to start a fight with you on just about every one of these, but I am not. Your logic when putting these things together just seems way off base and I really disagree with it.
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Post by bears75 on Nov 19, 2014 15:01:43 GMT -5
On what merit do you have Jack Youngblood over Deacon Jones? Jones is looked at as easily the far better player. He also played before sacks were recorded as a stat, so you cannot hold stats against Jones. He also had more fumble recoveries than Youngblood, and had 2 Interceptions to Youngblood's 0. I just don't get the logic there. And don't say that it was because Youngblood "started" more games than Jones. Youngblood played 7 seasons where it was a 16 game season. Deacon Jones played his entire career when it was 14 games. I really cannot see any logic whatsoever that puts Youngblood over Jones. You fail to take lore into effect and what they did for the game. Deacon Jones was instrumental in getting Sacks recorded as an official stat because he was so good at it. Disclaimer: I know it may seem like I am trying to start a fight with you on just about every one of these, but I am not. Your logic when putting these things together just seems way off base and I really disagree with it. I would put their skill set as even. Neither was better than the other. That said Youngblood starts purely due to playing 25% more games with the team. I think Youngblood had the slightly better and longer peak from 73-79 compared to Jones peak from 66-70. Both are clearly deserving HOFers. Sacks weren't kept until Youngbloods final 3 seasons and he still had 24 sacks in 40 games between the ages of 32-34. Imagine how many he must have had in his first 162 games from the ages of 21-31. Unlike Youngblood who spent his entire 14 year career with the Rams. Jones left and played his last three seasons elsewhere.
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Post by cantonhall34 on Nov 19, 2014 23:43:46 GMT -5
Wow...OK...now this one....might need some work
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Post by cantonhall34 on Nov 20, 2014 0:31:17 GMT -5
- First off...Yes, I agree with Roman Gabriel being on the team, of course. BUT - Kurt Warner AND/OR Bob Waterfield (could also backup the Punter, thus saving yet another roster spot) AND/OR Norm Van Brocklin need to be included here. Jim Everett was good for a couple seasons, but he's not better than ANY of those three. Kurt Warner is borderline HOF material (certain HOFer in some people's eyes). - Who is "Harold Anderson"? Is that "Harold Jackson"? - Elroy "Crazy Legs" Hirsch and Tom Fears are missing. Possibly Flipper Anderson, if those two HOFers aren't good enough. - CoC is correct again on the Deacon part. He's the starter. Arguably the greatest DE that ever lived, and yes, he did play for SD at the end of his career (like Unitas did and Namath did with the Rams) but he's an L.A. Ram no question. If there's a question as to WHO to start (there shouldn't be), but OK, I get it. Then Youngblood can move to the other side. The idea that a player cannot play the opposite side is just ridiculous. Players move all the time. This is also evident in your placing of Nolan Cromwell at SS. He was more of a FS. I understand he should be the starter there, but not at SS. Eddie Meador played BOTH CB and Safety, and Johnnie Johnson was a SS and FS. The point is, lots of players move to other positions, and so FORCING either Deacon or Youngblood to sit because they play the "same position" doesn't work. The best players will be on the field. That's how it's always been. - Terry Nelson should be at TE instead of Dale. - Lamar Lundy should be at DE instead of Leonard Little. - Amendola should be nowhere near this list. LeRoy Irvin and Henry Ellard were good/great return men. Saves roster spot there also. If you must have another returner, Jon Arnett or Az Hakim or Tony Horne would be better selections. - Eric Dickerson is not the fourth best RB in franchise history. Also, (again) there needs to be a FB or two. Cullen Bryant or Tank Younger or both should be there. - The Rams are one of the few teams that have an ABUNDANCE of really good O-Linemen, but there is NO need for THREE RGs. Timmerman should probably be dropped in favor of another player at another position. Same goes (again) for the Kicker and Punter.
THIS is a tougher team, due to their history of GREAT players and longevity of the franchise. Also one of my favorites in the "All Time" roster discussions.
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Post by cantonhall34 on Nov 20, 2014 0:40:38 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I forgot to put this in there also...
Kevin Greene should be there. He played most of his (HOF-worthy by some people's estimations) career there. 8 seasons, more than his time in Pitt. and Carolina combined.
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Post by Jindred on Nov 20, 2014 1:09:00 GMT -5
How the hell is Lawrence McCutcheon the #2 RB in the franchise history over Jackson and Dickerson. Stevan Jackson had 8, thousand yard rushing years with the Rams.. and all of those teams he was on were terrible. 8 of the 9 seasons he was there he rushed for over 1000 and the only year he didn't was he rookie season and the only reason he didn't run for 1k yards that year was because he was sharing carries with Faulk. 8 in a row.. Jackson was also a better receiver than McCutcheon.. No way he isn't ahead of McCutcheon..
Dickerson in his 65 games with the rams ran for over 7246 yards and 56tds.. That alone makes him at the very least #3 in their history.. McCutcheon has done no where near what those two ever did with the rams.
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