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Post by Jindred on Nov 19, 2014 1:20:12 GMT -5
As great as he was he couldn't stay healthy, to me that detracts from a players greatness. Bo Jackson = Ronnie Brown in my eyes, Brown was one of the most talented RBs in the league when healthy, do you know what the problem was and why he won't be remember? He never stayed healthy. Bo would be forgotten IMO if he didn't go on to have a great Baseball career. Bo was FAR more talented than Ronnie Brown ever was. Brown could have been a perennial Top 10 RB if healthy I grant you, but Bo had Hall of Fame talent. Like once in a generation, Michael Jordan/LeBron James-level talent (to use a cross-sport reference). There was a reason he is widely considered the greatest athlete in professional sports history, and the only man to be an All Star in two different sports. And Bo wouldn't have been forgotten (Techmo Bowl). Bo just like Brown whether one was far more talented or not, is all potential. You are arguing potential over output, to me the fact that Bo couldn't stay healthy super cedes the fact that he was potentially one of the greatest talents in the league. You can say he was but there is no real way to prove it, to me a truly great talent is one that lasts in the NFL not just a flash in the pan. We will never know if Bo was an all time great or not because injuries cut him short, if he didn't get injured he may have only ever had a few good seasons, we don't know that. To put a person on the all time list I believe there has to be substance not just potential.
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Post by cantonhall34 on Nov 19, 2014 2:31:34 GMT -5
Freddie is gonna suffer stat wise like Casper does. If you have more options on your team (again, in an era where running the ball was more prevalent) then you're not gonna feature ONE guy. That's pretty simple. Of all the other guys that were listed here as his contemporaries, Freddie was the only one that had other HOF pass catchers around him. Only one football to go around. He was also the only one of those guys that wasn't a legit home-run threat whenever he had the ball, hence his lower Yards Per Reception. Wait..so are you for my argument or against it? I'm just pointing stuff out. To me Biletnikoff gets lost by today's standards of passing stats. I think Tim Brown is absolutely the best all around receiver they've had, but nobody in franchise history ran routes or caught the ball better than Freddie. In fact, I'd say he may be one of the top 5-10 receivers EVER in that regard. Cliff Branch may be the next guy people disregard (mistakenly) these days. In a time where rushing was more important, the Raiders had THREE legit guys to throw to and in that era there just wasn't as many footballs being thrown around. That has to be taken into account (and their contributions toward the winning teams they were on). Though the stats of guys from back then won't compare to more modern players, it doesn't make anything they did any less. If the guys from older eras were playing in today's game, they'd certainly put up big numbers, comparable with any of the top players.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 15:10:51 GMT -5
I been waiting for this... No Bo Jackson. - who cares if his career was shortened. He was one of the best RB's of all time. No Mike Haynes No Sean Jones No Lyle Alzado No Bill Romanowski No John Matuszak No Anthony Smith Other than that.....Good list. I wouldn't add Mike Haynes (he's a NE Patriot) or Romanowski to the team. Romo would make a different team, but he was only with the Raiders for two seasons. Well...I guess Romo played as a Niner the most...but I loved having him on the team. One of my all time fav players. BUT...Mike Haynes played just as many seasons as a Raider as he did a Patriot. He won a superbowl and Defensive player of the year as a RAIDER. Hes a Raider.
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Post by cantonhall34 on Nov 19, 2014 21:47:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't add Mike Haynes (he's a NE Patriot) or Romanowski to the team. Romo would make a different team, but he was only with the Raiders for two seasons. Well...I guess Romo played as a Niner the most...but I loved having him on the team. One of my all time fav players. BUT...Mike Haynes played just as many seasons as a Raider as he did a Patriot. He won a superbowl and Defensive player of the year as a RAIDER. Hes a Raider. He had some very good years with the Raiders, of course, but he made his name with NE. Was in his prime there. He won Defensive ROOKIE of the year, but not the Defensive Player of the Year. Lester Hayes was NFL DPOY in 1980. LOVE Mike Haynes, even though he wasn't on my team. Like I said before, one of the top CBs (maybe even top 5) All Time. Some say even the greatest all around corner.
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