|
Post by bears75 on Nov 9, 2014 20:08:40 GMT -5
QB: Joe Namath, Ken O'Brien, Richard Todd RB: Freeman McNeil, Curtis Martin, Emerson Boozer, John Riggins WR: Don Maynard, Wesley Walker, Wayne Chrebet, Al Toon, Laveranues Coles TE: Jerome Barkum, Rich Caster, Mickey Shuler LT: Winston Hill, D'Brickashaw Ferguson RT: Marvin Powell, Jason Fabini C: Joe Fields, Kevin Mawae LG: Randy Rasmussen, Randy Moore RG: Dan Alexander, Dave Herman LDT: Joe Klecko, Scott Mersereau RDT: John Elliott, Jason Ferguson LDE: Shaun Ellis, Gerry Philbin RDE: Mark Gastineau, Marty Lyons LOLB: Mo Lewis, Ralph Baker ROLB: Larry Grantham, Bryan Thomas MLB: Kyle Clifton, David Harris LCB: Darrelle Revis, Aaron Glenn RCB: James Hasty, Bobby Jackson FS: Bill Baird, Darrol Ray SS: Victor Green, Dainard Paulson P: Curley Johnson, Chuck Ramsey K: Pat Leahy, Jim Turner KR: Bruce Harper, Leon Washington
|
|
|
Post by cityofchamps on Nov 9, 2014 20:31:31 GMT -5
I don't know how in the world you have Freeman McNeil over Curtis Martin, unless this list is in no particular order.
Joe Namath was also a pretty bad Quarterback when you look at it. All he has to his name is one good season and a Super Bowl guarantee that he got right. He is only in the Hall of Fame because what he did for the AFL with that win and his personality, rather than merit as a Passer. I am a little surprised Chad Pennington or Vinny Testaverde aren't with your Quarterbacks.
Other than that, I have nothing to complain about since I don't know much about the Jets. Nice to see you remembered Wayne Chrebet.
|
|
|
Post by bears75 on Nov 9, 2014 21:53:31 GMT -5
I don't know how in the world you have Freeman McNeil over Curtis Martin, unless this list is in no particular order. Joe Namath was also a pretty bad Quarterback when you look at it. All he has to his name is one good season and a Super Bowl guarantee that he got right. He is only in the Hall of Fame because what he did for the AFL with that win and his personality, rather than merit as a Passer. I am a little surprised Chad Pennington or Vinny Testaverde aren't with your Quarterbacks. Other than that, I have nothing to complain about since I don't know much about the Jets. Nice to see you remembered Wayne Chrebet. Curtis Martin: 2560 carries, 10302 yards, 4.0 Y/A Freeman McNeil: 1798 carries, 8074 yards, 4.5 Y/A
So Martin had 2228 more yards on 762 more carries which means he averaged 2.9 Y/A on those additional carries. So while McNeil was used less he was actually more productive.
|
|
|
Post by cityofchamps on Nov 9, 2014 22:14:04 GMT -5
I don't know how in the world you have Freeman McNeil over Curtis Martin, unless this list is in no particular order. Joe Namath was also a pretty bad Quarterback when you look at it. All he has to his name is one good season and a Super Bowl guarantee that he got right. He is only in the Hall of Fame because what he did for the AFL with that win and his personality, rather than merit as a Passer. I am a little surprised Chad Pennington or Vinny Testaverde aren't with your Quarterbacks. Other than that, I have nothing to complain about since I don't know much about the Jets. Nice to see you remembered Wayne Chrebet. Curtis Martin: 2560 carries, 10302 yards, 4.0 Y/A Freeman McNeil: 1798 carries, 8074 yards, 4.5 Y/A
So Martin had 2228 more yards on 762 more carries which means he averaged 2.9 Y/A on those additional carries. So while McNeil was used less he was actually more productive. Yet Curtis Martin is a Hall of Famer and McNeil has been pretty much been forgotten by fans in general. McNeil wasn't more "productive". He might have been more "effective" with less carries, but he was never as good or as talented as Martin. That much was clear. The fact that Martin was such a workhorse only adds to his legacy and be damned YPC (one of the most overrated stats IMO). He had 371 carries at 31 years old (which is ancient for a Running Back). His longevity and consistency at Running Back is second to none. You need to work on your analysis in these lists. You only go for stats and completely ignore legacy and Hall of Fame credentials regardless of the era that they played in.
|
|
|
Post by bears75 on Nov 9, 2014 22:49:36 GMT -5
Curtis Martin: 2560 carries, 10302 yards, 4.0 Y/A Freeman McNeil: 1798 carries, 8074 yards, 4.5 Y/A
So Martin had 2228 more yards on 762 more carries which means he averaged 2.9 Y/A on those additional carries. So while McNeil was used less he was actually more productive. Yet Curtis Martin is a Hall of Famer and McNeil has been pretty much been forgotten by fans in general. McNeil wasn't more "productive". He might have been more "effective" with less carries, but he was never as good or as talented as Martin. That much was clear. The fact that Martin was such a workhorse only adds to his legacy and be damned YPC (one of the most overrated stats IMO). He had 371 carries at 31 years old (which is ancient for a Running Back). His longevity and consistency at Running Back is second to none. You need to work on your analysis in these lists. You only go for stats and completely ignore legacy and Hall of Fame credentials regardless of the era that they played in. What I'm saying is that Martin was over used almost abused and he might have had a longer career and been even more effective if he has been limited to around 300 carries per season instead of 330+
|
|
|
Post by Jindred on Nov 9, 2014 22:51:54 GMT -5
Yet Curtis Martin is a Hall of Famer and McNeil has been pretty much been forgotten by fans in general. McNeil wasn't more "productive". He might have been more "effective" with less carries, but he was never as good or as talented as Martin. That much was clear. The fact that Martin was such a workhorse only adds to his legacy and be damned YPC (one of the most overrated stats IMO). He had 371 carries at 31 years old (which is ancient for a Running Back). His longevity and consistency at Running Back is second to none. You need to work on your analysis in these lists. You only go for stats and completely ignore legacy and Hall of Fame credentials regardless of the era that they played in. What I'm saying is that Martin was over used almost abused and he might have had a longer career and been even more effective if he has been limited to around 300 carries per season instead of 330+ There is a reason he was overused though, because he was damn good. Same kinda deal with Sean Alexander, Larry Johnson and others of the sort. I also see Demarco Murry used like this now as well. The impressive thing was Martin lasted under those circumstances, where most peter out. I would put Martin at the top of this easily because they were so willing to put the ball in his hands more time than McNeil.
|
|
|
Post by bears75 on Nov 10, 2014 0:38:21 GMT -5
What I'm saying is that Martin was over used almost abused and he might have had a longer career and been even more effective if he has been limited to around 300 carries per season instead of 330+ There is a reason he was overused though, because he was damn good. Same kinda deal with Sean Alexander, Larry Johnson and others of the sort. I also see Demarco Murry used like this now as well. The impressive thing was Martin lasted under those circumstances, where most peter out. I would put Martin at the top of this easily because they were so willing to put the ball in his hands more time than McNeil. If he was so great though why did he only average 4 Y/A?
|
|
|
Post by Jindred on Nov 10, 2014 2:04:58 GMT -5
There is a reason he was overused though, because he was damn good. Same kinda deal with Sean Alexander, Larry Johnson and others of the sort. I also see Demarco Murry used like this now as well. The impressive thing was Martin lasted under those circumstances, where most peter out. I would put Martin at the top of this easily because they were so willing to put the ball in his hands more time than McNeil. If he was so great though why did he only average 4 Y/A? 4 YPC isn't bad in my eyes at all.. Emmitt Smith only had a 4.2 YPC average on his career that's almost nothing more than Martin. McNeil is only a 4.5 which isn't much better for having 6000 less yards on the ground. Not everyone is an explosive back who gets big gains consistently to help out with their YPC, some guys are grinders who you can hand the ball off to 30 times a game and who wear defenses down. Also just looking at their stats McNeil looks like he couldn't stay healthy to save his life. Martin had longevity while carrying the ball 300 times a year.. Out of his 11 seasons he played 16 games in 8 of them. For a runningback that is amazing. McNeil only ever once started a full seasons and only twice was healthy a whole season, that alone should keep him behind Martin.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 3:06:38 GMT -5
I don't know how in the world you have Freeman McNeil over Curtis Martin, unless this list is in no particular order. Joe Namath was also a pretty bad Quarterback when you look at it. All he has to his name is one good season and a Super Bowl guarantee that he got right. He is only in the Hall of Fame because what he did for the AFL with that win and his personality, rather than merit as a Passer. I am a little surprised Chad Pennington or Vinny Testaverde aren't with your Quarterbacks. Other than that, I have nothing to complain about since I don't know much about the Jets. Nice to see you remembered Wayne Chrebet. Joe Namath was a pretty bad QB? Really? I saw him in person. He had a great game. He was not a pretty bad QB. Sorry you are wrong there.
|
|
|
Post by Juggs on Nov 10, 2014 10:24:33 GMT -5
I don't know how in the world you have Freeman McNeil over Curtis Martin, unless this list is in no particular order. Joe Namath was also a pretty bad Quarterback when you look at it. All he has to his name is one good season and a Super Bowl guarantee that he got right. He is only in the Hall of Fame because what he did for the AFL with that win and his personality, rather than merit as a Passer. I am a little surprised Chad Pennington or Vinny Testaverde aren't with your Quarterbacks. Other than that, I have nothing to complain about since I don't know much about the Jets. Nice to see you remembered Wayne Chrebet. Curtis Martin: 2560 carries, 10302 yards, 4.0 Y/A Freeman McNeil: 1798 carries, 8074 yards, 4.5 Y/A
So Martin had 2228 more yards on 762 more carries which means he averaged 2.9 Y/A on those additional carries. So while McNeil was used less he was actually more productive. I will hold you to this logic and therfore you must make Michael Turner the best charger runningback over LT. Not really, because this logic is nonsensical. Statistics are not the end all be all, and certainly not yards per carry based on players who had different roles and played for different Jets teams. Curtis Martin is a top 10-15 RB of all time and he's not even the best on the Jets? You can't justify that no matter how many stats you throw at us.
|
|