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Post by gobolts25 on Nov 5, 2014 18:24:29 GMT -5
Sorry, no matter how much you'd like it to be true, our disagreeing with you doesn't make us hypocrites. Are you STILL on this? STFU about it, already. Nobody here buys your arguments. Deal with it. IE you aren't intelligent enough to understand something I said that is very basic logic. Heh your saying you know logic is akin to the rock saying it understands quantum physics. Your ENTIRE argument has been "It's too nonrandom, therefore it must have been fixed." That, in a nutshell, is your completely unschooled understanding of logic and probability. Go back to my previous post to see some actual terms and devices used in logic, and the fallacies which you're committing. You're exactly like the born-again evangelical who's so confirmed and entrenched in his beliefs that he literally cannot see that there might possibly be another alternative than his own, in even the smallest detail. And then when your 'logic' is questioned (using proper terms and structure, I might add) your fallback is first to call those who question you ignorant, then apparently graduate to calling them knowingly, deliberately hypocritical. Or, you're just a troll who's doing it all knowingly yourself (i.e., hypocrite) and laughing about it. One way or the other, one more insult in your responses and you're on ignore. I've had enough.
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Post by cantonhall34 on Nov 6, 2014 0:45:50 GMT -5
Maybe it's my clear lack of intelligence but I don't understand why the Bills going to 4 Super Bowls is so impossible. They were a very good team in a fairly medicore AFC. Is every sport rigged? The Olympics? College Basketball? What are the odds of a college basketball team winning 10 in a row? Did Rupp take a dive? What are the odds that a father and son would both be presidents of the United States? Well we already knew that was rigged. You never answered me what the odds were on two brothers being very good punters and divisional rivals in the NFL. I thought it was a sincere question. John and John Quincy Adams? Nice one!
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Post by saskabronco on Nov 6, 2014 1:04:30 GMT -5
Maybe it's my clear lack of intelligence but I don't understand why the Bills going to 4 Super Bowls is so impossible. They were a very good team in a fairly medicore AFC. Is every sport rigged? The Olympics? College Basketball? What are the odds of a college basketball team winning 10 in a row? Did Rupp take a dive? What are the odds that a father and son would both be presidents of the United States? Well we already knew that was rigged. You never answered me what the odds were on two brothers being very good punters and divisional rivals in the NFL. I thought it was a sincere question. One of the funny things about his argument is that it's not really that unlikely that two brothers would both have success either at QB or at coaching. It seems pretty common that certain families just produce all stars. I would guess its a mixture of their genes and the way they were raised, but look at the Harbaughs, the Mannings, the Matthews, the Grudens, the Shanahans... And it's the same in many sports... The Staals, the Sutters, the Gasols, the Cabreras... Family members with similar genes and similar upbringings could very possibly be equally successful. And often, since sibling rivalry can be an extremely motivating factor, when two super talented brothers grow up pushing each other, they end up both becoming way better than either would have alone. My point is just that it's not unrealistic to think that two brothers would both reach a very high level, like our newest troll rams29jackson seems to think. Oh and Mork, the odds of the Colquitts being very good punters on division rivals is 1:358... Surprisingly good odds. If you'd like to check my math, I pulled it out of the same place Rams29 gets all of his 'facts', so you may have trouble finding my sources.
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Post by ram29jackson on Nov 6, 2014 17:57:40 GMT -5
you have no clue what you are saying. LOL at you probability reasoning and your idiotic lottery example. theres a chance for possibly one of the things I've used as an example to happen...possibly just one of them....but for all to have happened is absolutely absurd. People look for meaning when there doesn't have to be meaning. Regardless of the outcome, you would try to use that as an argument because the probability of any outcome is so unlikely. If there was a different winner every year, you would think it's fixed. Anytime a team repeats or wins multiple times in an era, it seems fixed. If a team doesn't win for a long time it seems fixed. Brothers, cousins, friends, fathers and sons... There are countless possibilities of story lines and every year is going to have something worth talking about. The fact that you are too stupid to comprehend that unlikely odds don't make something impossible is your own problem and makes you look more and more like an idiot every time you type something. You are just pulling all of this out of your ass. I could come up with endless different possibilities that could have happened that are far less likely than what has happened. The point is that you are looking for a pattern but you have no idea what you're looking at. You think you understand odds and probability but all you can comprehend is what you want to see. Get it through your thick skull how much more improbable it is that there could have been thousands of people involved in such a massive scam for over half a century I without any one single person ever leaking any bit of information or evidence regarding such a scam. Not everyone in the NFL is a millionaire.. You don't think a water boy or camera man or someone along the way wouldn't think they could make some money trying to leak this. There are a ton of people leaking piles of BS conspiracy theories every day... You don't think someone would have tried to let the cat out of the bag here? You're a moron if you truly believe in this conspiracy bullshit. you are admitting you don't know anything about logic
People look for meaning when there doesn't have to be meaning you are the one doing that when you talk all day about a player caring about an outcome of a game or a lineman needing to improve or a coach needing to change a plan.
when I see a ref make a bad call, I know he is lying. When I see a player fall down when the guy with the ball runs by, I know he's faking it.
they all know they work in a entertainment business, what do they need to tell you for ? Plenty of people who are friends of jocks know. You just aren't one of them.
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Post by Morkim on Nov 6, 2014 18:03:56 GMT -5
craig440 did any of your Charger buddies tell you they didn't win the Super Bowl on purpose?
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Post by ram29jackson on Nov 6, 2014 18:07:29 GMT -5
IE you aren't intelligent enough to understand something I said that is very basic logic. Heh your saying you know logic is akin to the rock saying it understands quantum physics. Your ENTIRE argument has been "It's too nonrandom, therefore it must have been fixed." That, in a nutshell, is your completely unschooled understanding of logic and probability. Go back to my previous post to see some actual terms and devices used in logic, and the fallacies which you're committing. You're exactly like the born-again evangelical who's so confirmed and entrenched in his beliefs that he literally cannot see that there might possibly be another alternative than his own, in even the smallest detail. And then when your 'logic' is questioned (using proper terms and structure, I might add) your fallback is first to call those who question you ignorant, then apparently graduate to calling them knowingly, deliberately hypocritical. Or, you're just a troll who's doing it all knowingly yourself (i.e., hypocrite) and laughing about it. One way or the other, one more insult in your responses and you're on ignore. I've had enough. where did I say anything about 'nonrandom' anything ? its very intelligent to understand that if the games were real there would be more fumbles and field goals and punts. no group of 40 men can be better then 31 other groups for 14 straight years while a roster keeps changing unless there is manipulation. see what I did there ? I gave you an example of something that cant possibly happen so perfectly but your mind is too indoctrinated by falsehoods to understand something so simple.
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Post by ram29jackson on Nov 6, 2014 18:11:44 GMT -5
craig440 did any of your Charger buddies tell you they didn't win the Super Bowl on purpose? why did they only get that one shot ? why didn't it happen again before or sense ? you really have no clue why. just because you can point to a stat that says it had poor defense doesn't mean they had poor defense. It just means a stat is reflecting an occurrence on the field. Stats aren't the effect of a cause, they are a byproduct of a manipulation.
all you can do is disagree with me. You are entirely incapable of proving me wrong because the only thing you can then do is point at a stat and hope by faith that it means what it says.
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Post by Morkim on Nov 6, 2014 18:23:55 GMT -5
craig440 did any of your Charger buddies tell you they didn't win the Super Bowl on purpose? why did they only get that one shot ? why didn't it happen again before or sense ? you really have no clue why. just because you can point to a stat that says it had poor defense doesn't mean they had poor defense. It just means a stat is reflecting an occurrence on the field. Stats aren't the effect of a cause, they are a byproduct of a manipulation.
all you can do is disagree with me. You are entirely incapable of proving me wrong because the only thing you can then do is point at a stat and hope by faith that it means what it says.
So, what you're doing. Is it proving me wrong? So you've proof of these fixed games other than it's so unlikely? And are you saying the Chargers have indeed not won a Super Bowl in their history on purpose? That's a bummer for Craig. You also didn't address my previous post. Are all sports rigged? College basketball, the World Cup, the Olympics? Did Rupp take a dive so another college program could win 10 titles in a row? That seems unlike him. Did Bob Knight take a dive to Kentucky? lol he must have gotten a bundle for it, he was bitter about it for decades.
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Post by Jancey on Nov 6, 2014 18:27:17 GMT -5
you are admitting you don't know anything about logic why didn't it happen again before or sense ? And you're admitting you don't know anything about correct grammar?
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Post by gobolts25 on Nov 6, 2014 19:07:09 GMT -5
Heh your saying you know logic is akin to the rock saying it understands quantum physics. Your ENTIRE argument has been "It's too nonrandom, therefore it must have been fixed." That, in a nutshell, is your completely unschooled understanding of logic and probability. Go back to my previous post to see some actual terms and devices used in logic, and the fallacies which you're committing. You're exactly like the born-again evangelical who's so confirmed and entrenched in his beliefs that he literally cannot see that there might possibly be another alternative than his own, in even the smallest detail. And then when your 'logic' is questioned (using proper terms and structure, I might add) your fallback is first to call those who question you ignorant, then apparently graduate to calling them knowingly, deliberately hypocritical. Or, you're just a troll who's doing it all knowingly yourself (i.e., hypocrite) and laughing about it. One way or the other, one more insult in your responses and you're on ignore. I've had enough. where did I say anything about 'nonrandom' anything ? The games are scripted? What about that DOESN'T say nonrandom?its very intelligent to understand that if the games were real there would be more fumbles and field goals and punts. Two completely unsubstantiated (and unprovable) postulates in one statement. But then that means no one can prove you wrong, eh? But since they are unprovable, it's not very intelligent to believe them and act as if they were fundaments of the universe.no group of 40 men can be better then 31 other groups for 14 straight years while a roster keeps changing unless there is manipulation. Which groups of 40 men are we talking about? Last I looked there were 53 players on a NFL team's roster. But while we're at it:
The Wooden Bruins The Auerbach Celtics The Showtime Lakers The New York Yankees
Are all of these sports scripted too?
The only manipulation involved were by the staff of the respective teams, and all legal within their sports and generally well-known.see what I did there ? I gave you an example of something that cant possibly happen so perfectly but your mind is too indoctrinated by falsehoods to understand something so simple. No, you gave (once again) a whole series of unproven and unprovable suppositions which really aren't true just because you state them.
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