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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 20:39:17 GMT -5
As far as trades...as long as it dont get voted down by the league,,its legit. I dont have a problem with trades. I think it turns into bush league tactics when someone saves their ww claim in order to better the keeper position for that player and "colludes" with someone else to make that happen.
Can you imagine the mess that the LM's will have to work on in the off season if everybody did that?
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Post by Divebitch on Sept 17, 2014 20:44:37 GMT -5
I agree. Taking AP is a risk. He may not be back. He may be back next week. Who the F knows anymore. He's no spring chicken ya know. True, but he can be scary with them fresh legs. haha But saying he'd be back was a logical 'given' or 'assumption'. Meaning 'if true, trade is even'. Tried to keep it simple for sake of argument. That's why I made Gordon a 4th rounder. In reality, he's a 19th in a IDP. AP would only be a partial payment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 21:00:56 GMT -5
Can you imagine the mess that the LM's will have to work on in the off season if everybody did that? Not me, I'm in my prime. As an LM, I'd just follow in the footsteps of the NFL...handle it however the hell I want. If I don't like it, it ain't happening. Or maybe I'll allow it to take place, just to come back later and say I changed my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 21:03:51 GMT -5
Can you imagine the mess that the LM's will have to work on in the off season if everybody did that? Not me, I'm in my prime. As an LM, I'd just follow in the footsteps of the NFL...handle it however the hell I want. If I don't like it, it ain't happening. Or maybe I'll allow it to take place, just to come back later and say I changed my mind. Bahahahaha Doc Goodell
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Post by Divebitch on Sept 17, 2014 21:05:42 GMT -5
As far as trades...as long as it dont get voted down by the league,,its legit. I dont have a problem with trades. I think it turns into bush league tactics when someone saves their ww claim in order to better the keeper position for that player and "colludes" with someone else to make that happen. Can you imagine the mess that the LM's will have to work on in the off season if everybody did that? Good grief, I didn't think it thru that far. No one would be saving WW claims. Was just a thought that came to me this morning. Every damn day for almost a week now it's been back and forth and back and forth as to what might happen with him. This is the same league I have (yeah get this).... Ellington (Q) Tate (O) AP (O) Rice (O) Moreno (O) Gerhardt, who sucks, as does his QB and o-line, is my only (P). Oh yeah, I picked up Rainey today who's 1 day of production will hinge upon Martin returning. And oh, oh...I dropped D-Wil (who was also a Q) to get him. So, sorry if my imagination went a little wild. So the 1st thing I checked was 'who has #1 WW priority?' Happened to be an interesting trade candidate. So I threw it out there. That is all. lol Jeppers!!! The bad touch uncle.
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Post by gobolts25 on Sept 17, 2014 21:06:07 GMT -5
Your counterexample is fine as far it goes, but it's nowhere near the same as colluding with another player to get the same effect. The player who originally dropped that high draft pick didn't have the intention of helping anyone out but himself, by clearing a roster spot for someone he/she thinks may perform better than the player he dropped. If that same high draft pick then improves, more power to whoever picked him up. It has little to do with Dive's scenario. I think you keep missing one very key point. By making a trade whereby you assure that trade partner he'd get your droppee at a 5th/6th rounder, you'd be asking for someone better than who you can get off the WW or FA. Do you get that? You're not just "clearing a spot". PERFECT example... Say I have AP (1), and my potential trade partner (with #1 WW priority) has Josh Gordon (4th or 5th), and I can't keep AP next year, he can't keep Gordon. We assume AP will play next year maybe sooner. Gordon will be back week 12. That would be a pretty even trade. He gets AP for 2 years as a 5th rounder, and I get a top, proven WR (not a gamble on an Allen Hurns or Khiry Robinson) at a 4th or 5th rounder for 2 years. It's not colluding the more ya think about it - just different. I mean all trades are discussed between private parties involved, right? Its purpose exactly the same as any other normal trade - both parties benefit. craig440 - Didn't see your post before posting this, but agree w/you 100%. It's a normal trade IMO, just thinking a little outside the box. It's not collusion at all, IMO. Someone wants to say 'bush league', okay, fine, whatever, and whatever that means. haha Both parties win. You're not trying to manipulate divisional wins/losses or somethin'. I was talking about Craig's example there, explaining the motivation for dropping the high draft pick. I got that yours is effectively a trade. As for your scenario, let's assume it occurs, and AP is reinstated and plays next year. You get four more weeks of Gordon than he gets of AP...but, and this is a huge but, he gets a first-round pick at the cost of a seventh-rounder (or whatever WW is). So, in effect, he gets an extra first-rounder next year. That's where the issue is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 21:13:56 GMT -5
As far as trades...as long as it dont get voted down by the league,,its legit. I dont have a problem with trades. I think it turns into bush league tactics when someone saves their ww claim in order to better the keeper position for that player and "colludes" with someone else to make that happen. Can you imagine the mess that the LM's will have to work on in the off season if everybody did that? Good grief, I didn't think it thru that far. No one would be saving WW claims. Was just a thought that came to me this morning. Every damn day for almost a week now it's been back and forth and back and forth as to what might happen with him. This is the same league I have (yeah get this).... Ellington (Q) Tate (O) AP (O) Rice (O) Moreno (O) Gerhardt, who sucks, as does his QB and o-line, is my only (P). Oh yeah, I picked up Rainey today who's 1 day of production will hinge upon Martin returning. And oh, oh...I dropped D-Wil (who was also a Q) to get him. So, sorry if my imagination went a little wild. So the 1st thing I checked was 'who has #1 WW priority?' Happened to be an interesting trade candidate. So I threw it out there. That is all. lol Jeppers!!! The bad touch uncle. I sorry Bev..I pee on your parade. You shoulda kept D Williams. He be back this week. So will D Martin....lol!! U might need to go get DMC or T Rich off waivers. LMAO
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Post by 101mitch on Sept 17, 2014 21:21:45 GMT -5
IMO that is fine. Basically, Dive is giving Mork a 4 round upgrade by dropping AP instead of trading him.. Nothing wrong with that IMO.
Heck I think WW spots should be able to be traded. lol
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Post by 101mitch on Sept 17, 2014 21:23:49 GMT -5
IMO that is fine. Basically, Dive is giving Mork a 4 round upgrade by dropping AP instead of trading him.. Nothing wrong with that IMO. Heck I think WW spots should be able to be traded. lol Whenever I see my own posts I think it is someone else. #FreeTheGhostFace
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Post by Divebitch on Sept 17, 2014 21:27:12 GMT -5
As for your scenario, let's assume it occurs, and AP is reinstated and plays next year. You get four more weeks of Gordon than he gets of AP...but, and this is a huge but, he gets a first-round pick at the cost of a seventh-rounder (or whatever WW is). So, in effect, he gets an extra first-rounder next year. That's where the issue is.What issue? Ever been in a keeper league of this format? No one gets 'extra' picks. We are getting 'good values' for their draft round. Forget Gordons extra 4 games. Let's talk theoretical so it makes sense to you. They both come back same day. He gets AP as a 5th rounder. I get Gordon as a 3rd or 8th or 15 rounder, whatever in your mind is equal value. We'd both benefit, like any normal trade.
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